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Failed Biblical Prophecies
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies
(October 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So what you're saying is that god had already promised the Jebusites protection? Then why did he say they would conquer the Jebusites? And why does the second passage say "Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites", as in it was impossible, rather than that he didn't try?

The jubusites and the hitites were essentially the same people (just a different region.) The hitites were destroyed completely. The Jubusites were conquored, just not wiped from exsistance. Just like when Rome occupied Jureslem during the time of Christ. The Jews were a conqured people even though they still occupied the land. In the case of the Jubusites the Jews occupied their former lands. making the tribes of juda and benjamin the conquors, and the Jubusites the conquored.

(October 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm)Darkstar Wrote:
(October 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm)Darkstar Wrote:


Wait, I remember now (thanks to our resident poe):
Judges 1:19 19 The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
Here is the answer: god couldn't win because of iron chariots...
Huh2 Yeah, I don't get it either.
You might object that it says Judah, and not Joshua, but the promise was extended to Judah in the below passage.

Judges 1:1-2 After the death of Joshua, the Israelites asked the Lord, “Who of us is to go up first to fight against the Canaanites?”

2 The Lord answered, “Judah shall go up; I have given the land into their hands.”
Nonetheless, it says the lord was with them, and in the early passage it says he will show he is with them by allowing them to conquer such and such kingdoms, including the Jebusites, who they failed to defeat.

So, it looks like god is a little less than all-powerful today. But, the apologist will say, god is not necessarily omnipotent. (At least s/he will say this if s/he wishes to avoid the contradiction, but that would bring up other problems.)
Matt 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Therefore god is omnipotent, therefore all things, including the defeat of iron chariots, are possible with god. However, it says "but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron." Unable as in couldn't do it. But, "The Lord was with the men of Judah." and "This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites." Key word certainly.
I don't know how even an apologist could weasel their way out of this one, but they never cease to appaul disgust annoy...amaze me.

Just because "God is with someone" does not mean they use what is avaiable to them. Look at yourself. You have the same oppertunity to tap into God's resources as I do, and you have chosen not to. Does that mean God so loved me that He gave his only begotten Son, that if I believe I should not persih, and disregaurd you??? No of course not! You do not have access to God because you do not have faith in God even though God has faith enough in you to John 3:16

People do this all the time. We have access to God but do not take advantage of what has been offered. Can God be stopped by 'iron charriots?" No of course not. but the Judeans who fought this battle most certaintly could if they did not have faith in God. They like you simply saw the 'proof' of the opposition and followed the evidence off of the battle field. Then blamed God for their 'faith.'

(October 18, 2012 at 3:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD

Whoops, drippy. THERE it is. I found it...and so will anyone who fucking bothers looking.

Get your head out of your ass, son. You may pull this shit with other fundie morons but you will not get away with it here.

Again minnie,

Who was ezk/god talking to? The people who live in a given place at a given time or the physical earth these people lived on? As I see it non of these people have been found, that God made good on what He promised.

(October 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 18, 2012 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Look at your picture a little more closly minnie. To me it seems like God's word is being proved here. For in the Foreground we see the ruins of the 'city' in which Ezekial spoke. It remains desolate. God did not curse the ground of tyre where no one could ever dewell on the grounds ever again (like He did with Eden or Sodom and Gormorrah.) He cursed the actual city and the people who lived there. Again it looks to me by your own pic that no one of that time is left alive nor is their anyone living in the orginal city ezk spoke of. So what part of the phophesy tickles your fancy so?

Wink

Seriously? You don't really think that the ruins you see in the foreground were the entire city of ancient Tyre?

Modern Tyre was built over much of the ruins of ancient Tyre. So still the prophecy fails.

To you too. Did God condemn a given people and a given city who existed in a given time or did God condemn the earth for hosting this city and these people? God did not condemn the ground. He destroyed a people and a place. None of the buildings nor any of the greatness ascribed to these orginal people are left.

What fails is your understanding of what is being discussed here. God did not destroy the earth for hosting these people as he did with sodom and gomorrah, or eden. God cursed a people, a culture and what they produced.
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Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Mister Agenda - October 26, 2012 at 11:04 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 18, 2012 at 1:12 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 18, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Simon Moon - October 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by ThomM - March 28, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 18, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 18, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 19, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 19, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 11:50 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 21, 2012 at 6:00 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 18, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 18, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 18, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 18, 2012 at 10:02 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 18, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 18, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by FallentoReason - October 18, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 3:16 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 19, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by FallentoReason - October 19, 2012 at 5:54 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 11:36 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by FallentoReason - October 19, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by genkaus - October 19, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 19, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 19, 2012 at 9:53 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 19, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 19, 2012 at 12:10 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 11:37 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 19, 2012 at 1:32 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 6:22 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Cato - October 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Cato - October 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by FallentoReason - October 19, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 19, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 19, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 19, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 19, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 19, 2012 at 6:46 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 20, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 20, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 21, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 24, 2012 at 6:57 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 24, 2012 at 11:47 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 24, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 24, 2012 at 10:28 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 25, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 11:14 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 11:25 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by YahwehIsTheWay - October 22, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 24, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 24, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Undeceived - October 26, 2012 at 12:56 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 1:13 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 26, 2012 at 2:21 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 26, 2012 at 11:01 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 26, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 26, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 26, 2012 at 11:22 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 26, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 26, 2012 at 9:15 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 27, 2012 at 2:16 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 27, 2012 at 1:36 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 27, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 27, 2012 at 3:17 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 28, 2012 at 9:44 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - October 28, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 28, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 28, 2012 at 11:49 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 28, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 3:05 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 12:17 am
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 29, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Drich - October 30, 2012 at 12:30 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 30, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 30, 2012 at 4:18 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - October 31, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Ryantology - November 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:59 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 30, 2012 at 11:51 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - October 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - November 2, 2012 at 6:51 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - November 7, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - November 8, 2012 at 3:19 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - November 12, 2012 at 12:41 am
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Darkstar - November 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - November 8, 2012 at 10:55 pm
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - November 12, 2012 at 12:54 am
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RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Minimalist - November 12, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies - by Godschild - November 12, 2012 at 9:24 pm
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