RE: Failed Biblical Prophecies
October 19, 2012 at 12:11 am
(This post was last modified: October 19, 2012 at 1:00 am by Darkstar.)
(October 18, 2012 at 11:28 pm)Drich Wrote: Oh wait, "drive out" is a modern english idom,(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drive+out) and the this part of the bible that you quoted was written 3500 years or so ago... So does that mean the term 'drive out.' has the same meaning as you understand it now?
Lets go back to the Hebrew and see what word "Drive out was translated from. The Hebrew word is: (ירש yarash) it means in this context:1) to seize, dispossess, take possession off, inherit, disinherit, occupy, impoverish, be an heir
If that is true, then why didn't it use any of those words? And you have yet to explain why Judah couldn't defeat those with iron chariots.
Judges 1:19 19 The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
What, then, does 'drive from the plains' mean in this context if it does not mean 'drive out'?
Hebrew bible direct to English
Another such translation, with Hebrew text for comparison.
Still says 'drive out' in both cases. Literal translation in the second link says 'evict'. Please make your rebuttal more than an assertion next time.
Ezekiel 14: 9 “‘And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the Lord have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt—the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him.
Older translations used the word 'decieve' explicitly, rather than implicitly. Can god lie? (No, see first post)
(Note: I have done some research on the disposses/drive out thing and...am somewhat confused about the translations but the NIV may be incorrectly translated after all...maybe)
Here's another one:
Ezekiel 29:3 Speak to him and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘I am against you, Pharaoh king of Egypt,
you great monster lying among your streams.
You say, “The Nile belongs to me;
I made it for myself.”
God is talking to the pharaoh
“‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will bring a sword against you and kill both man and beast. 9 Egypt will become a desolate wasteland. Then they will know that I am the Lord.
“‘Because you said, “The Nile is mine; I made it,” 10 therefore I am against you and against your streams, and I will make the land of Egypt a ruin and a desolate waste from Migdol to Aswan, as far as the border of Cush.[b] 11 The foot of neither man nor beast will pass through it; no one will live there for forty years. 12 I will make the land of Egypt desolate among devastated lands, and her cities will lie desolate forty years among ruined cities. And I will disperse the Egyptians among the nations and scatter them through the countries.
Yet, somehow, none of this happened, and since he said against you and he was talking to the pharaoh (and the rest of Egypt) we can believe this to be time specific. Yet, there are no longer pharaohs and this has not come to pass.
Ezekiel 28:24-26 “‘No longer will the people of Israel have malicious neighbors who are painful briers and sharp thorns. Then they will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
25 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. 26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God.’”
...uh yeah...riiiight.
I know this additional onslaught is a bit much; feel free to address them one at a time.
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