Interesting response Drich. Thanks for that.
If it sounds like X, looks like X and acts like X, it must be X. The Jews thought it was Y, and apparently God was ok with that. That's not very efficient, just like 99.99% of all "creation" being extinct (but that's another story altogether).
For me personally, I'd still be waiting for a messiah figure to come along and be a part of the history of humanity, if ya know what I mean
As a framework for understanding why "GOD" doesn't seem to be reacting the way we think he should, I can accept this. The thing is though that this argument can apply to any of the 3 000+ gods ever imagined. For all you know, your experiences might look like X, but in fact they're classified as a Y because the one true god is Sol Invictus.
(October 19, 2012 at 3:16 am)Drich Wrote:(October 18, 2012 at 11:54 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: So... why did YHWH describe the messiah to the Jews in one way but in "reality" it happens differently?
I think this question sums up 99% of the problems people have with God.
God describes something, and 'we' have an idea of how that something is supposed to play out or how God is supposed to make something happen like with Christ.
So what is the problem? Is it the fact that God has described something wrong? No! It is the pride that man has to think his understanding of anything is or should be the bench mark. Rather than say hey, God said X but I understand X to look like Y so when I see X rather than Y it is God (or the Lack of God) that has me experience X rather than the Y I was looking for. Why can 'we' admit when we are wrong that we do not always know how things are going to play out?
If it sounds like X, looks like X and acts like X, it must be X. The Jews thought it was Y, and apparently God was ok with that. That's not very efficient, just like 99.99% of all "creation" being extinct (but that's another story altogether).
Quote:For instance the Jews were looking for a litteral savior to free them not from sin but from Rome. They were looking for the God version of King David. Did God promise this? No He promised a freedom that would set all of man kind free. But rather than keep an open mind and an open heart they were looking for Y. When X came along they could not accept that their expectation could possiable be wrong. So the denied X and are still waiting for Y.
For me personally, I'd still be waiting for a messiah figure to come along and be a part of the history of humanity, if ya know what I mean
Quote:Sound familiar? The majority of the questions and challenges I get from you people is because you like the Jews are expecting Y when God is offering X, and you can not be convinced otherwise that you in your rebellion against God and all of Creation may possiably be expecting the wrong things from what God has promised. This is why I have to spend the majority of my time trying to help you all redefine what you think you know of God. For bottom line if you are expecting Y and have not received it then know Y has not been offered no matter what you have been told or no matter what you think you know. I and millions like me know of the X God offers and can share it if you will only let go of the Y you think you are entitled to.
As a framework for understanding why "GOD" doesn't seem to be reacting the way we think he should, I can accept this. The thing is though that this argument can apply to any of the 3 000+ gods ever imagined. For all you know, your experiences might look like X, but in fact they're classified as a Y because the one true god is Sol Invictus.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle