Human Value Nonexistent?

[The Grand Nudger]

Where would value come from?

Myself, my family, those who depend upon me for this or that, sources of value aplenty. Same place your own value comes from.

To think that you're life is more valuable than an ant would just to be guilty of speciesism.

Guilty as charged, but, to be fair, the ant likely feels that it;s life is more important than my own, in this regard we are equals.

If there is no objective being to give your life value, then it has no objective value. Any value that you would perceive your life to have would be just an self-deception.

Why? My wife assigns a value to me and that value is far from illusory to her or to myself. No deception involved. My wife is far from "an objective being" and yet she's capable of doing precisely what you seem to think is impossible. This ignores the value I place upon my own life, which, again, requires no deception. Maybe if I led a shitty life and people couldn't count on me for this or that I'd have to leverage a little bit of illusion to give my life meaning...I just don't find myself in such an unfortunate situation.

Moreover, the OP quoted Dawkins saying that there exists no good, no evil.

AND ALL OF YOU AGREE WITH THIS?!?!?!?!?!

Yep, and?

(the following is from wikipedia on the topic of Nazi Experiments)

Bone, muscle, and nerve transplantation experiments

From about September 1942 to about December 1943 experiments were conducted at the Ravensbrück concentration camp, for the benefit of the German Armed Forces, to study bone, muscle, and nerve regeneration, and bone transplantation from one person to another. Sections of bones, muscles, and nerves were removed from the subjects without use of anesthesia. As a result of these operations, many victims suffered intense agony, mutilation, and permanent disability.

Head injury experiments

In mid-1942 in Baranowicze, occupied Poland, experiments were conducted in a small building behind the private home occupied by Nazi SD Security Service officer, in which "a young boy of eleven or twelve [was] strapped to a chair so he could not move. Above him was a mechanized hammer that every few seconds came down upon his head." The boy was driven insane from the torture.
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I also read where pregnant women were used for vivisections.

Sounds horrible, isn't it interesting that both you and I have such similar opinions with regards to our subjective notions of evil? I bet there are tiny little differences between us though, eh?

On atheism, you have no grounds to say that this is wrong.

Sure I do, and what this has to do with atheism is a mystery to me. I give these things a negative value judgement, if enough people agree with my value judgement we can collectively call those things "evil" without evil being objective. Similar to the above..I bet we can find people who don't think these things are evil at all (smart money would be the torturors and experimenters)

Life simply is....you can do what you wish with it.

A dry statement of fact if ever there was one, yes.

There's nothing wrong with using other humans for science experiments against their will and at the cost of their lives.

Unless enough people agree that there -is- something wrong with this. That's what was missing from your comment above. Life simply is..you can do what you wish with it, but from time to time, your wishes may be at odds with "ours"...and that will incur consequence.

If there is no God, life came from nothing and ends in nothing.

Well that's complete bullshit right there. My life came from quite a lot, and it will "end" with quite a lot as well.

Not only do our individual lives end in death, the universe itself will end in a heat death and will go back to being what it was in the beginning...nothing.

You seem to know an awful lot about what the universe was "at the beginning". Have you shared this hypothesis of yours with anyone?

Nothing before the Big Bang, nothing afterwards....we're just this drivel in between nothings. Meaningless, purposeless, valueless.

Say it with me now..."We don't know". I suppose in a sense you could see it this way though. Stepping back to take a look at the big picture we are a fairly small blip on the radar. You don't even have to step very far - even on this rock we are outnumbered, outweighed, outshone, outlived, outcompeted.....it really is humbling. Nevertheless, we do seem to be important to ourselves.

If there is no God what value could your life possible have?

There isn't, and yet my life retains the value and meaning which I (and those around me) have assigned to it.

Perhaps you could benefit the human race? To what end? All ends in nothingness, it would be a fruitless, pointless endeavor anyway. All acts of humanity are ultimately of no consequence.

LOL, meh, I'd settle for benefiting my immediate family...and that's probably all I can handle. Ultimately will it have been pointless, fruitless, etc? Sure, some day the sands of time will surround even the memory of yours truly......but again, it won't have been pointless to me. I've gotta be honest here, I don't understand why a creature that can reasonably expect to live maybe 80 years would expend some much worry into what value or meaning their short life will have had at the far flung ends of some imagined eternity. It really puzzles the shit out of me.

A life lived for pure selfish gain would be equal to a life lived selflessly giving to the human race. Both would end in death.

If death is the metric then yes, they are both equal, and?

Sacrifice is foolish and selfishness is the only logical perspective to approach life with.

Selfishness seems to you to be the only logical perspective to approach life with? Care to elaborate?

If there is no God, all things are permissible....our world essentially is Auschwitz.

All things are permissable, because ultimately no one is giving (or withholding) permission. Nevertheless, most things have consequences (good or bad).

All of this says more about why you feel compelled to believe than it does about the status of our lives or their meaning. To you, all would be pointless, all would be despair, life is Auschwitz...etc etc etc -if there were no god-. If I felt that way, I'd be hard pressed to find atheism appealing, for sure. However, for some strange reason, even though I don't believe in this god you feel is a necessity of some sort.....I can't agree with you in any meaningful part (and certainly not on the whole).