RE: What are the best Atheistic Arguments?
September 26, 2009 at 4:33 pm
(This post was last modified: September 26, 2009 at 4:36 pm by fr0d0.)
(September 26, 2009 at 8:10 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: I was agreeing with Elionnwy that Thor's happen is a primitive way of explaining storms and lightning, but apparently I'm mixing up rational thought and superstition when I say that's superstitous!Don't you think that the thunder association could've been a metaphor to help people get a grasp of something else? I don't think of this as primitive at all, I think it's quite modern. Primitive is way simpler.
What you did was paint over a lot of things with the same brush that were actually very different, and then dismiss them all on that point, which is fallacious. It is very easy to discern between superstition and rational ideas. There's nothing magic about it as you would like to infer.
(September 26, 2009 at 10:14 am)amw79 Wrote: Exactly. Religion still tries to explain remaining unanswered questions - i.e. what caused the big bang (god), why there's 'something' rather than 'nothing' (god); where our morality comes from (god); what happens to us after death (we are rewarded or punished, by god).
These are quite possibly empirical claims, which directly trespass on scientific grounds, and attempt to fill a void of knowledge with answers, for which there is no evidence. Hopefully at some point, science will illuminate these gaps of knowledge, and religion will retreat once more to an even narrower definition, eventually to a point were religion can longer make any claim of special knowledge on anything.
And there's your gross misunderstanding. Religion has always answered questions of meaning and reason. Science explicitly seeks to understand what we have evidence for. The two are completely different.
Trying to apply science to religious questions is farcical. It simply isn't the subject of science.