(September 26, 2009 at 4:33 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Don't you think that the thunder association could've been a metaphor to help people get a grasp of something else?And why would you think it's metaphorical? So you think that Thors hammer being lighting was metaphorical? Ok...but if it wasn't it's superstition. And I sincerely doubt it's all just poetry.
Quote:I don't think of this as primitive at all, I think it's quite modern. Primitive is way simpler.See above.
Quote:What you did was paint over a lot of things with the same brush that were actually very different, and then dismiss them all on that point, which is fallacious. It is very easy to discern between superstition and rational ideas. There's nothing magic about it as you would like to infer.
Could you please elaborate on that? Because I fail to see where you have refuted me at all. You have merely asserted that I pained a load of things that were different with the same brush. All I'm saying is that when there's a lack of an explanation for something, and something supernatural is just asserted as an explanation, then that's superstitious thinking because it's a big fallacious jump that's a complete non-sequiter.
fr0d0 Wrote:And there's your gross misunderstanding. Religion has always answered questions of meaning and reason. Science explicitly seeks to understand what we have evidence for. The two are completely different.
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I have bolded the word "always" because I think this is where you are either making a huge sidestep or just a huge misjudgement. You are claiming that religion has always just answered questions on meaning and reason. And never scientific ones, right? Always just metaphors or 'spiritual truths'?....Really? always? And never scientific ones...ever?
Are you really so sure? And how can you be?.
So any of the times when it seems like a Religion is using God or gods to explain creation or whatnot, that's always just metaphorical and/or 'spiritual' and never claims about matter of fact eh?
Ok, if you really believe that, 2 questions: 1. How can you know that? 2. How can you be sure of it?
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