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Prayer not working
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RE: Prayer not working
(October 29, 2012 at 7:13 am)Brakeman Wrote:
(October 29, 2012 at 1:09 am)Godschild Wrote: The Holy Spirit lives within us, go study scripture and stop asking childish questions.
Typical childish theist response to ignore the two difficult questions of "How could god change his previously perfect plans due to prayer" and "does god actually speak to you", to focus on the joke question about ghosts. But hey, I'll play along. Since you seem to know scripture so well, how is the ghost described in 1 Samuel chapter 28:7-25? Do you see any Theological problems with that ghost?
Anyway, if you say that the holy spirit lies within you, where exactly does it reside? Is it your kidneys? Jesus thought that your soul resided in one's kidneys. Do you agree with that? Or are you one that believes that the blood pumping organ, the heart, is where the soul and holy spirit can reside? (hint- It wasn't until modern times that we knew that the brain was the source of our conscientiousness, the bible writer's didn't know that! Hence their use of "searching one's reins. {Kidneys})

How do you know when the holy spirit has entered your kidneys/heart/brain, if you insist that he is not a visible apparition?
In ACTS 19 there were christians who believed in jesus, but had not yet received the holy spirit. Turns out they had a faulty baptism and had to be rebaptised. Do any of your flock need to be rebaptised? If they can't feel the holy spirit in their kidneys, then they had better try that....or beer!

First thing you assume you know God's perfect plan and how He works it, and you do not.
God speaks to use through the Spirit, since you do not know how that works the Spirit does not reside in you. You must be quite dull minded to believe Christians think the Holy Spirit reside in the kidneys, mind or heart.
The Holy Spirit is a being which can move into our being and aid us in our daily lives.
Playing apparently is all you know, typically childish.

Now to answer some other questions. I find nothing wrong theologically with 1st Sam. 28:7-25.

Nephros (Greek) does mean kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the inmost mind (self).
Kilyah (Hebrew) also means kidney, but is used metaphorically to mean the mind, innermost self.
You see when Christ searches, it is the innermost being of man, that which makes the moral choice, man's spirit.

For acts 19, the baptism the people were baptized into was John's baptism, Paul baptized them into Christ the Lord Jesus, because only Jesus can save.
Tell you what, you want to know what the Holy Spirit is like, become a believer in Christ and you can find out, would that not be the scientific thing to do, experience it first hand. I mean scientist believe there is dark matter and dark energy and they have not nor can they see it or prove it exist.
Now a question for you, tell me why is it that when one loses a loved one, a wife,husband, girlfriend ect. do you not get a head ache, instead you ache (feel the hurt) in one's chest. Why is it that when one is sad they feel the sadness in their chest, by your statement one should get a terrible head ache.

(October 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Is it so very necessary to have a knowledge of scripture to ask questions? How else can one learn anything? A more cynical person then I might get the impression that it's the asking of questions that is so feared by the theist, especially given the Olympic-standard gymnastics involved in evading them.

To ask responsible questions one needs to know something, and the questions asked by most here are cynical, most here are not interested in learning what the Christians here know.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 20, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 7:07 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 11:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 28, 2012 at 10:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 28, 2012 at 10:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 28, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Tnmusicman - October 31, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 1:09 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 1:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 5:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 29, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 30, 2012 at 3:32 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 9:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Brakeman - October 31, 2012 at 7:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 2:17 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 21, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ziploc Surprise - October 21, 2012 at 12:52 am
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 21, 2012 at 1:33 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 5:42 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 5:57 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 11:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 21, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - October 21, 2012 at 11:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 11:53 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 6:02 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 6:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by downbeatplumb - October 21, 2012 at 6:15 am
RE: Prayer not working - by genkaus - October 21, 2012 at 9:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by zebo-the-fat - October 21, 2012 at 7:00 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 7:30 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:36 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Norfolk And Chance - October 21, 2012 at 8:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Prayer not working - by KichigaiNeko - October 21, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Prayer not working - by kılıç_mehmet - October 21, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Akincana Krishna dasa - October 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by festive1 - October 22, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 22, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 28, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 10:50 am
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 29, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Ryantology - October 29, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - October 29, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by FallentoReason - October 30, 2012 at 10:35 am
RE: Prayer not working - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 30, 2012 at 10:56 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - October 31, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - October 31, 2012 at 3:20 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - October 31, 2012 at 2:45 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 2:37 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 3:43 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Minimalist - November 1, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Darkstar - November 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 6:24 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by Cyberman - November 1, 2012 at 11:58 am
RE: Prayer not working - by Godschild - November 1, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: Prayer not working - by pocaracas - November 2, 2012 at 10:41 am
RE: Prayer not working - by IATIA - November 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm

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