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Community help for Non-Cognitive?
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RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive?
TROC, I haven't quite got my head around your argument yet, but a couple of points come to mind that might help.

1 - That definition of non-cognitive atheism sounds exactly like the definition of emotivism:
Quote:Emotivism is a meta-ethical view that claims that ethical sentences do not express propositions but emotional attitudes ... Hence, it is colloquially known as the hurrah/boo theory... Emotivism can be considered a form of non-cognitivism or expressivism...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotivism
Quote:emotivism, In metaethics (see ethics), the view that moral judgments do not function as statements of fact but rather as expressions of the speaker’s or writer’s feelings. According to the emotivist, when we say “You acted wrongly in stealing that money,” we are not expressing any fact beyond that stated by “You stole that money.” It is, however, as if we had stated this fact with a special tone of abhorrence, for in saying that something is wrong, we are expressing our feelings of disapproval toward it.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topi.../emotivism

2 - Professor of Psychology Jonathan Haidt describes morality this way:
Quote:The point of these studies is that moral judgment is like aesthetic judgment. When you see a painting, you usually know instantly and automatically whether you like it. If someone asks you to explain your judgment, you confabulate. You don’t really know why you think something is beautiful, but your interpreter module (the rider) is skilled at making up reasons, as Gazzaniga found in his split-brain studies. You search for a plausible reason for liking the painting, and you latch on to the first reason that makes sense (maybe something vague about color, or light, or the reflection of the painter in the clown’s shiny nose). Moral arguments are much the same: Two people feel strongly about an issue, their feelings come first, and their reasons are invented on the fly, to throw at each other. When you refute a person’s argument, does she generally change her mind and agree with you? Of course not, because the argument you defeated was not the cause of her position; it was made up after the judgment was already made. If you listen closely to moral arguments, you can sometimes hear something surprising: that it is really the elephant holding the reins, guiding the rider. It is the elephant who decides what is good or bad, beautiful or ugly. Gut feelings, intuitions, and snap judgments happen constantly and automatically . . . , but only the rider can string sentences together and create arguments to give to other people. In moral arguments, the rider goes beyond being just an advisor to the elephant; he becomes a lawyer, fighting in the court of public opinion to persuade others of the elephant’s point of view.

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In my studies of moral judgment, I have found that people are skilled at finding reasons to support their gut feelings: The rider acts like a lawyer whom the elephant has hired to represent it in the court of public opinion.

One of the reasons people are often contemptuous of lawyers is that they fight for a client’s interests, not for the truth. To be a good lawyer, it often helps to be a good liar. Although many lawyers won’t tell a direct lie, most will do what they can to hide inconvenient facts while weaving a plausible alternative story for the judge and jury, a story that they sometimes know is not true. Our inner lawyer works in the same way, but, somehow, we actually believe the stories he makes up. To understand his ways we must catch him in action ...
http://thesituationist.wordpress.com/200...reasoning/

Here is a video of Haidt explaining that we are lawyers defending emotional attitudes:
http://truth-out.org/news/item/6487:jona...us-culture

I'll think about your question some more.
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Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 22, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by genkaus - October 22, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by genkaus - October 22, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Faith No More - October 22, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 22, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Doubting_Thomas - October 23, 2012 at 11:38 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by The Grand Nudger - October 23, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 23, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by jonb - October 23, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - October 24, 2012 at 1:52 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by jonb - October 24, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - October 26, 2012 at 6:53 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - October 27, 2012 at 4:14 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Whateverist - October 27, 2012 at 8:58 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - October 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 27, 2012 at 11:52 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - October 28, 2012 at 12:09 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 29, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - October 29, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - October 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - October 30, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2012 at 8:30 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - October 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - October 28, 2012 at 3:24 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - October 31, 2012 at 9:56 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - November 1, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - November 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - November 2, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - November 3, 2012 at 12:34 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:05 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - November 1, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 9:49 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by Angrboda - November 1, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by jonb - November 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by mralstoner - November 2, 2012 at 8:23 pm
RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by TROC - November 3, 2012 at 11:37 am
Re: Community help for Non-Cognitive? - by fr0d0 - November 3, 2012 at 2:31 am

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