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A pantheistic argument.

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RE: A pantheistic argument.

October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm

(October 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote:

(October 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Why call 'god' the universe at all? I just don't understand what the point of doing so is. What does it change, and why does it matter?

Well, to quote myself:

(October 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: Some people, in my experience, seem to think that if you change the label, you change the belief. For example, some people think they're not atheists even when they don't believe in a creator of the universe and god is defined that way. My point is it's not about the label, it's about what you actually believe. I can define god as "everything" and become a theist therefore and yet my atheistic beliefs haven't changed whatsoever because I was only ever atheist in the sense that I didn't believe in deities, it has nothing to do with believing in the universe. That was my point in this thread. I can be an atheist and a pantheist even though pantheism is a kind of theism and atheism contradicts theism because I'm an atheist in a different sense to the sense that I'm a theist.

Huh

I don't understand what you are trying to say. My main question is this: why would you want to define 'god' as 'universe'?

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A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rayaan - October 29, 2012 at 5:54 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:06 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:43 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 7:27 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:07 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:17 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 6:53 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 11:32 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 6:56 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:00 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by catfish - October 29, 2012 at 7:12 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2012 at 7:13 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 11:47 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:10 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by genkaus - October 30, 2012 at 1:13 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Darkstar - October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Rhizomorph13 - October 30, 2012 at 11:56 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Simon Moon - October 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 12:56 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Anomalocaris - October 30, 2012 at 2:24 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by DeistPaladin - October 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by thesummerqueen - October 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 6:22 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 7:17 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 6:55 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 5:05 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 5:13 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:35 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2012 at 8:46 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Jackie - October 30, 2012 at 8:57 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 8:58 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Angrboda - October 31, 2012 at 7:18 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 8:55 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 10:25 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 11:25 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 12:18 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 12:42 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 3:49 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2012 at 6:14 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 6:20 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 7:30 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 11:45 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2012 at 10:27 am

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Kirbmarc - November 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm

RE: A pantheistic argument. - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm

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