(October 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm)DoubtVsFaith Wrote: 1. Let's assume that there is one god and it is whatever is the most influential force in the universe.
2. The universe as a whole has more influence than anything else because without it nothing else can exist, because everything is part of it. It is so influential that it necessitates existence itself by definition, assuming that the universe is everything.
3. Therefore the universe itself as a whole is god.
Thoughts?
Or just like standard theism your woo is as hollow and meaningless as theirs. "god" is a meaningless word itself and trying to naturize a word started in superstition is absurd.
The universe is not a god anymore than a hurricane is a god. It is a process, a thing. It has no emergent qualities of thought like a human brain so the two cannot nor should be even comparable.
What you are unwittingly doing needlessly is the same thing that causes theists to believe in their woo. You are merely projecting to fill in a gap as to the "meaning of all this".
The universe DOES have meaning in terms of mesurable science and thus we can know many of the things in it and how those thing behaive in relationship to other things.
BUT there is no autruistic meaning for "all this". Anymore than a raindrop can chose where it lands. We are merely in the middle of a storm, but it is just that, an ongoing thing, not an ongoing thinker.
Panthiesm has as much merit as any other new ages superstition it still amounts to "this sounds nice so I'll go with it".
Sorry if I burst your bubble but the quickest way to shoot the absurd down is to be direct and cut to the chase.
"Pantheism" is not a scientific study, it is not a universal scientific method, it isn't even a scientific formula. It is merely woo with modern clothing.
So in conclusion it is meaningless blather.
