RE: Community help for Non-Cognitive?
November 2, 2012 at 9:01 am
(This post was last modified: November 2, 2012 at 9:12 am by TROC.)
(November 1, 2012 at 11:04 pm)mralstoner Wrote: It would be rational to argue you had 74 cents if you had documentary evidence of your entire finances leading up to that day. But you don't, so there's insufficient data to prove it either way. All you can say is it's highly unlikely.
So are there proofs likewise unavailable about gods? That sounds like the absence of evidence argument. But that's a cognitive argument that engages the proposition. (And it's a flawed argument because it does not disprove god, nor make god improbable, it just makes god seem unlikely).
It was my pocket and in '82 I had no bank account, and the stores had no video cameras etc.etc. So although it is reasonable to say that it is 'unlikely' that there was exactly 74 cents in my pocket it is never 'provable'.
TRUTH: I willfully constructed the statement to ensure that proofs could not be made available.
On God: There are proofs I can observe to dispute any individual point of "gods", but like my small change experiment but on a much larger scale - the God of Isaac and Abraham was itself constructed to be infinite, everlasting, omnipotent and ineffable. Even though I see many facts that support my beliefs, the natural conclusion to the tedious cognitive dispute can always be the same: "God did it that way to test your faith". It may be 'probable' or 'improbable', it will absolutely be 'true' or 'false'; but it was willfully built by men never to be 'provable'. I don't believe that God the mystical exists, but I'm certain by evidence that god the construct does and I understand why and how it was made.
Person "A": There is something that exists you can never see or understand.
Person "B": That cant' exist... here's some proofs.
Me: Doh!!!
(November 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm)jonb Wrote: Come on, party on dude.
You bet... Just finding the best way to be honest, accurate and get the community to pipe down a moment so I can remember where I put my beer!
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(November 1, 2012 at 8:13 pm)apophenia Wrote:Lots of examples, probably the best is the resiliency and persistence of religion here in America; particularly the rise of the evangelicals and the 'apparent' rise of fundamentalists. There are specific reasons for it's origins and also good reasons why I'm not troubled (where the cogs tend to be alternately angry about it and threatened by it).(November 1, 2012 at 10:34 am)TROC Wrote: I'm finding that it also causes me to reach very different conclusions, both practically and philosophically.Such as?
But that would take a blog to explain... Don't know if I want to make you feel that much safer yet... :-).