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Do to really believe a snake talked?!
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RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?!
(November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm)John V Wrote: Er, yes, that's exactly what it means.

"Existence has always existed" means that "there has never been a time when non-existence has existed". It doesn't mean that "existence has already reached a later point in time, of the infinite future time available, where heat death has been experienced".

Existence has always existed, always does exist and always will exist... how does that mean that we've already reached a later point of future time? Eternal or not, we by definition have not reached a later point of future time...

Quote:If existence is eternal, than any number of ages you can name have already gone by.

When they haven't happened yet? "Existence is eternal" implies that non-existence will never exist, it does not imply that all the things that will happen will have already happened before. Why would an eternity imply a cycle? Infinite time just implies that time will keep going on forever and that time has always existed, it doesn't imply that whatever exists now has ever existed before. It implies the that but not the what.

The existence of everything is not the same as the essence of everything. For example: I have always existed, but I have not always been the same.. I have not always been what makes me "me" now, in the sense of my identity. I have not always been alive. We are all made of stars apparently, and so I used to be a star in the sense that my existence was a star, but the point is that my essence is still different despite the fact that I exist in both cases.

Quote:Not sure why you keep bringing this up, as I haven't argued against it.

I'm just pointing out that existence is eternal because non-existence can't exist.
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Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 12:26 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Anomalocaris - November 8, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 8, 2012 at 12:57 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Minimalist - November 8, 2012 at 1:04 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cato - November 8, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 1:08 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 1:19 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Jackalope - November 8, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by 5thHorseman - November 8, 2012 at 4:46 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 9, 2012 at 1:36 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 9:41 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 10, 2012 at 4:31 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Kousbroek - November 10, 2012 at 8:46 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 10, 2012 at 11:45 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by festive1 - November 9, 2012 at 5:19 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cato - November 8, 2012 at 3:58 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 8:39 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 8, 2012 at 9:23 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by pocaracas - November 8, 2012 at 9:27 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 8, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by genkaus - November 9, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 8:32 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by genkaus - November 9, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 9:49 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by genkaus - November 9, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 9:45 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 8, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 8, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 8, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 4:52 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Darth - November 8, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Simon Moon - November 8, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 5:36 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Minimalist - November 8, 2012 at 5:33 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 8, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 8:51 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 9, 2012 at 1:29 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 10, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 11:09 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Minimalist - November 8, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 8, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Minimalist - November 9, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 9, 2012 at 1:42 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 9, 2012 at 1:54 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 9, 2012 at 1:55 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by KichigaiNeko - November 9, 2012 at 5:11 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by pocaracas - November 9, 2012 at 10:02 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by pocaracas - November 9, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by popeyespappy - November 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by pocaracas - November 9, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Minimalist - November 9, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by festive1 - November 9, 2012 at 5:40 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 10, 2012 at 10:20 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 10, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 11, 2012 at 11:43 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Kirbmarc - November 10, 2012 at 8:57 am
Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by festive1 - November 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Godschild - November 10, 2012 at 7:47 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by pocaracas - November 10, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Kousbroek - November 10, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Utracia - November 11, 2012 at 11:31 am
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 10, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by festive1 - November 10, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by festive1 - November 10, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Kirbmarc - November 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Cyberman - November 10, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 10, 2012 at 10:05 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by SpecUVdust - November 10, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by Edwardo Piet - November 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm
RE: Do to really believe a snake talked?! - by John V - November 12, 2012 at 9:17 am

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