do religious people really believe?

[paulpablo]

theres something weird about the way religious people act, considering they believe without a shadow of a doubt theres a heaven and hell.
What got me thinking about this is i saw a youtube video of a ten year old girl with cancer reciting the quran, and all the comments on the video were things like "im crying so much right now"
the video itself was of a man crying while listening to the girl recite the quran.
Why would everyone be so upset? surely the girl is lucky in comparison to say me, i have to live another few years on earth followed by what will probably be eternal punishment from allah for disbelieving while this girl will be living in paradise.
Surely from a muslim point of view the best thing that can happen is if young muslim children get killed suddenly in large numbers, they will die innocent and get to spend even more time in paradise.
And also shouldnt muslims feel much more sorrow for christians, they commit shirk and therefore are guaranteed an eternity in hell even after all thier church building and praying, surely muslims should be really feeling sorry for christians more so than a 10 year old muslim girl who is soon to die of cancer.
This doesnt just apply to islam but christianity, why arent more christians giving away the marority of their money if its so difficult for a rich man to get into heaven? why all the sex before marriage?
basically i just find it difficult to believe these people believe in heaven or hell they dont act like they do in the slightest.

[One Above All]

I think some of them really believe to a point. They're the ones who let their kids die by praying rather than take them to the doctor. However, most of them are terrified of death and a lot of other things they shouldn't be afraid of, given what they claim to believe in.

[Mystical]

I fear death less as an athiest. Oddly enough when I was a believer I constantly obsessed about my family's well being to the point I had very bad anxiety there for a bit. Especially if they weren't "saved" in Christ. Now I just try my best to enjoy them when I have them, and don't worry atall what happens to them when they're gone.

I was also a dumbass and denied medical treatment with chemotherapy because I was advised that I was "impeding god" from healing me. Then, when I stopped impeding and almost died: turns out me being sick is just god's will and is probably saving me from a worser fate. Now I'm back on medicine and doing quite nicely

[fr0d0]

theres something weird about the way religious people act, considering they believe without a shadow of a doubt theres a heaven and hell.

Oops fail

basically i just find it difficult to believe these people believe in heaven or hell they dont act like they do in the slightest.

Have you heard the bit: if you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain?

Most people can't trust enough or they would.

[Mystical]

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theres something weird about the way religious people act, considering they believe without a shadow of a doubt theres a heaven and hell.

Oops fail

Have you heard the bit: if you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain?

Most people can't trust enough or they would.

Two things here, First: Are you saying you do have a shadow of a doubt in the existance of god?

[Esquilax]

I was also a dumbass and denied medical treatment with chemotherapy because I was advised that I was "impeding god" from healing me. Then, when I stopped impeding and almost died: turns out me being sick is just god's will and is probably saving me from a worser fate. Now I'm back on medicine and doing quite nicely

This has actually always weirded me out, when I hear about people denying medical treatment because god will save them. I wonder if those people ever actually read the holy texts they rely so heavily on; god works through human agents all the time, in those things. Why would he not work through a doctor?

Hell, a doctor- an actual educated and trained professional- would be a much more impressive instrument for divinity than the snake oil salesmen that claim divine inspiration nowadays, and the uneducated goat herders who he's canonically worked through.

[fr0d0]

Two things here, First: Are you saying you do have a shadow of a doubt in the existance of god?

Of course. Without doubt I wouldn't need faith. And no. 2? (If you can tear yourself away from dominating Esq for a moment! )

[Esquilax]

Without doubt I wouldn't need faith. And no. 2? (If you can tear yourself away from dominating Esq for a moment! )

Oh, the things I could tell you...

[Minimalist]

Have you heard the bit: if you had faith the size of a mustard seed you could move a mountain?

Yes, I have Frods.

It's fucking bullshit.

[paulpablo]

Frodo you do know that faith is confidence in something and doubt is not having confidence in something, so youre basically saying "i dont have confidence in my religion so its a good job i have confidence in it." or "without lack of confidence in my religion i wouldnt need confidence in my religion"