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Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it.



For what it's worth Drich, I think TGAC is looking for specific examples of Cinjin using "facts in support of hate" in the way that the German Nazis did. You've yet to provide any examples of Cinjin doing this. Moreover, I'd suggest your definition is overly broad. There is more that is specific to what the Nazis did than just using facts to promote hate. That's almost the definition of propaganda, simpliciter (propaganda = the use of emotional appeals to encourage action). Many people use facts to promote hate. The Southern Poverty Law Center uses facts to promote anger and hatred of dishonest and dangerous Tea Party political tactics. That doesn't make them Nazis. So your analogy fails by being too broad and inclusive in its definition, and failing to tie it to specific acts of Cinjin.

Regarding the dream and whether your observations are useful, they aren't. The hallmark of scientific observation is repeatability. There are strong reasons why this is important, but you'll just ignore them so I'll simply omit them. Is your dream observation repeatable? No. Are the visions of the prophets repeatable? No. Is the testimony of witnesses to Christ's ministry repeatable? No.

Therefore they count as weak anecdotal evidence, and a bunch of weak evidence is still weak — a mountain of bad arguments doesn't magically become a good argument by the sheer weight of it.

This is why anyone who can think logically discounts your "evidence" — not because it's not evidence, it is, but because it's evidence of the worst kind, and should not compel any thinking man or woman to belief. That it compels you to belief simply underscores your lack of ability in the thinking department, and the power of emotion and cognitive bias to overwhelm us by leading us to believe things without proper warrant.

You are trapped in your belief, by emotions and biases which led you there, just as am I. However, I would argue that the beliefs I'm trapped in do less harm and more good (Christ's children care for the sick; medicine heals them) than yours, thus I judge your beliefs, as well as the reasons which led you to them, as inferior.


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Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Annik - November 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - December 23, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - December 23, 2019 at 5:24 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Tino - November 5, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Kirbmarc - November 5, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 5, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 5, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Kirbmarc - November 5, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Annik - November 5, 2012 at 5:34 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 5, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 6, 2012 at 2:08 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 6, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Nine - November 5, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cinjin - November 5, 2012 at 7:24 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 5, 2012 at 11:36 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cato - November 5, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 6, 2012 at 4:58 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by LastPoet - November 6, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Borunel - November 6, 2012 at 6:13 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 6, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 6, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by LastPoet - November 6, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by LastPoet - November 6, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 6, 2012 at 1:07 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by pocaracas - November 6, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Borunel - November 6, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 6, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by LastPoet - November 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by LastPoet - November 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 6, 2012 at 1:52 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Borunel - November 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 7, 2012 at 12:18 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Killman - November 7, 2012 at 3:44 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 7, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cinjin - November 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 7, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Darkstar - November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 7, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 7, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 8, 2012 at 7:49 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Annik - November 7, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 7, 2012 at 10:07 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cato - November 8, 2012 at 3:45 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cinjin - November 8, 2012 at 12:19 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 9, 2012 at 1:58 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 9, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Ben Davis - November 9, 2012 at 11:05 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 9, 2012 at 11:09 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Ben Davis - November 9, 2012 at 11:25 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 9, 2012 at 11:40 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Aroura - November 8, 2012 at 4:07 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cinjin - November 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Kirbmarc - November 8, 2012 at 6:06 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 8, 2012 at 8:48 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 8, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 8, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Gambit - November 9, 2012 at 11:19 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Borunel - November 9, 2012 at 11:20 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by pocaracas - November 9, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 10, 2012 at 5:57 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 11, 2012 at 10:45 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 11, 2012 at 11:44 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 11, 2012 at 2:28 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 11, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 11, 2012 at 9:32 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2012 at 8:17 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Angrboda - November 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Darkstar - November 12, 2012 at 12:11 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 12, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Darkstar - November 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Gambit - November 12, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 13, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 13, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 14, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cinjin - November 14, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Drich - November 14, 2012 at 11:48 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Darkstar - November 14, 2012 at 2:31 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by festive1 - November 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Justtristo - November 14, 2012 at 12:48 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Cyberman - November 14, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Duty - December 23, 2019 at 4:41 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by brewer - December 23, 2019 at 5:14 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Duty - December 23, 2019 at 5:21 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by Sal - December 23, 2019 at 5:26 pm
RE: Hell, or rather my brief experience of it. - by no one - December 23, 2019 at 5:34 pm

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