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Uganda passing law that allows them to put homosexuals to death.
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RE: Uganda passing law that allows them to put homosexuals to death.
(November 14, 2012 at 9:47 am)Daniel Wrote: Oh right, so look what happened when they got HIV then. Then the westerners had to come in and give them condoms and circumcision, and they wouldn't use the condoms in most brothels.
I will refer you to this book: Tinderbox, By: Timberg and Halperin
http://www.amazon.com/Tinderbox-Sparked-...=tinderbox
They have traced the genetic origins of HIV. It is believed to have come from a hunting expedition somewhere in the Cameroon/DRC (central, western African) jungle. Where a person killed a chimpanzee for food and was probably contaminated in the butchering process. There's a group of chimps in this region that are carriers of the closest genetic relative of human HIV. HIV doesn't kill chimps the way it does humans. They speculate that this type of cross-species contamination probably happened several times throughout human history, however, this particular transference from chimp to human occurred during Colonialism. They have it pinpointed to a 2-3 decade period of time. It was a perfect storm for the spread of HIV amongst the human population. Prior instances of contamination would have likely only effected a small population of indigenous people (one or a small handful of rural villages, as this region is so densely covered in jungle not many groups live there even today) which would not have allowed the HIV virus to spread to a larger group. Any epidemic needs a sustainable population in order to spread and infect more people. However, during Colonialism towns and cities were bustling in this region, thanks to the efforts of Westerners attempting to extract as many natural resources as possible from the continent. These busy townships had thriving prostitution, allowing HIV to spread to a greater population, causing an epidemic. In this context the thriving prostitution is attributed to the displacement of people. Men and women were separated from their traditional ways of life, their families, and their sexual partners, prostitutes filled that sexual void. The result being about 99% of HIV cases genetically originating from this initial outbreak. The entire premise of this book is that Colonialism, Westerners going into an area, causing a societal breakdown of traditional ways, and pushing into the jungle where very few people had ever gone before, is precisely what caused the HIV pandemic that we are facing today.
Circumcision is practiced throughout various African cultures, it's not just a Western import. It's true that ethnic groups who practice circumcision have lower rates of HIV, also addressed in the aforementioned book. But to suggest that they practice circumcision because the West suggested it, is laughable and completely false. Societies that traditionally practice circumcision still do, those that don't are still very resistant to it. The use of condoms has been an uphill battle. Again, I'll site Tinderbox, the ways in which condom use has been marketed to Africans was done in a decidedly Western fashion. What works in the West, doesn't work in Africa, because Africa is not WESTERN.

(November 14, 2012 at 9:47 am)Daniel Wrote: So your approach is reactive. Wait for the problem and then address it.

If 25% of Xians were drug users and 20% of them unemployed, you'd use it against us, wouldn't you?

I think we need to start by acknowledging the problems at hand. I'll post back with more later.
How is anybody supposed to predict issues with a certain behavior if there is no problem? Any approach is inherently reactive, because without a problem, there's nothing to attempt to solve. I'm not in favor of saying someone shouldn't do something because it MIGHT cause problems in the future.
If 25% of Christians were drug users and 20% were unemployed, I'd say they need help. Just like I say the same about the gay community in Australia. Help doesn't mean demonizing their behavior. They aren't using drugs or unemployed because they have gay sex. It's a larger societal problem.
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RE: Uganda passing law that allows them to put homosexuals to death. - by festive1 - November 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm

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