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Child abuse ?
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RE: Child abuse ?
(November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: They do it all the time. Just because someone is a bible quoting moron does not mean they have no other skills. The lack of any other skill is an entirely different issue. I have two very Christian family members who happen to be the most successful members of my family. They run a multi-million dollar tool business.

Oh how nice of you to bring up a argument based on personal expirience in a political debate. No offense but statistics and surveis are more convincing.
Everyone knows religious people. And everyone knows religious people who are productive and kind members of sociaty.
What I am refering to are the people who reffer to those who are not a member of their community as "the secular world", disregard those outside of their community and discriminate those.
One of the main arguments against homeschooling is, that it gives people the possibility to raise their children with a set of values which reject the very principles of the pluralistic democratic sociaty they live in.
I am not only talking about "working skills" (from which I do think that they are not properly tought by non-professionals) but "social skills".

(November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: Easy. Saying it is abuse is suggesting that it be treated in a manner fitting abuse, yes? Do children who are abused stay with their parents if that abuse is found out? Not in all cases.

Using ones powers as an adult to raise a intolerant unproductive adult - is abusing a child


(November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: Nor should it be determined by a bunch of people on the internet peppered by individuals who can't spell.

Nowhere did I suggest that, what is knowlege and what is not is determened by the scientific comunity - who can spell.

Quote:Cirliculum should be set by akademics and professionals, and a educational sector should be built arround the concept of bringing forth inteligent and therefor productive members of sociaty.

(November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: The OP was not about curriculum. It was about what parents teach children.

Parents might teach their children to use the toilet and other basics, but they shouldnt teach them biology and other educational experties.
Those subject should be tought by professionals who do not abuse their possition as educators for indoctrinational purposes.



(November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: Not talking about education. Talking about parents raising their children.

A parent indoctrinating it`s kids on a intolerant and pseudoscientific worldview - isnt raising (and it`s certainly not educating) it`s abusing.

(November 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You have to go with the lesser of two evils here, and the choice is obvious to me. As much as I despise religious indoctrination on kids, the alternative is the government regulating how parents raise a child. I will go with the former every time.

there is no lesser evil.
Homeschooling has been forbidden here since the foundation of the republic - what is tought at public schools is provided by the scientific community - and last time i have checked - we are not jet a savage mindcontrolling dictatorship - and certainly not unfree.

(November 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Natural selection will favor the kids whose parents or teachers provide them the best survival advantage.

I reject social darwinism as a concept on which to build up a sociaty.

I firmly believe that every kid and every young adult should have a equal start into life, meaning that everyone should be capable of having the best possible education.
which is the concept we have in Germany - we pump a enormous number on cash in our educational system and made it mandetory for everyone to visit such a school - FOR FREE!

(November 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Theres two factors prevailing here.
1. Parents love their kids more than teachers (the State)

Theres a cultural difference here, we dont have this liberterian state xenophobia some people in the US have.
Instead we have a trust for institutions and want to assure them to be in the best possible states.

(November 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: 2. Religion has conferred a survival advantage for a long time.

Can you explain that in a bit more detail? I think my english fails me here.
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