RE: Child abuse ?
November 19, 2012 at 11:09 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2012 at 11:14 am by Something completely different.)
(November 19, 2012 at 10:43 am)Tiberius Wrote: *sigh*
Is there any point in even trying to be concise with you? I'm not even going to address most of what you said; much of it appears to be copy / paste from the Internet. If it isn't then I apologise, but you are being far too verbose. That said, let's address the main points.
everything writen myself - except for statistics, polls and excepts from the codes of law - to which i left source links.
Quote:I don't. I think that's a very dangerous idea. One only has to look at oppressive governments to see why.
And one has to realise that in a democracy there is no such thing as party\ideological control over institutions which are by the very meaning of their existance meant to be unbiased - such as the scientific community.
examples: BBC, ZDF, WDR, public Universities, public schools
Quote:...not doing harm to society does not mean it is fair or worth keeping. You are still suppressing the rights of people to teach their children what they want, and how they want.
A system which works needs not to be abolished.
The german educational system is built on the principle of fairness since it gives everyone the same basic and scientific education.
If parents want to teach their kids creationism they can always emigrate to the US.
Quote:I don't mean this as a jibe at your nationality, but as a German, I'd have thought you of all people would know that "democratically elected government" does not always represent the will of the people. The Nazi's passed all sorts of laws as a democratically elected government; I doubt very much you would agree with them.
The nazis werent elected into power but putched to power in a coalition with the conservative party which thought it could tame them.
I dont see this as jab on my history.
If I clearly present facts in a source (such as a code of law)! And one ignores such (and cales one a totalitarian)! that is dishonest or proof of intelectual cowerdess or both.
Quote:We're not trying to take that right away from you. In a fair society where people were educated how they wished, you would still have the right to criticize.
And who will take that critizism serious who is fundamentaly a ignorant bafoon who ignores things which contradict his views?
...and under the scientific method, it [b]must exist. If it did not, it is not good science. Plain and simple.
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No there is the possibility of it existing. And after unvailing more and more proof of evolution within the fossile record and genetic analasys - denying evolution is selfdeceiving, and very ignorant towards things achieved because of that knowlege!
Quote:How do you make the jump between the scientific community determining scientific knowledge and the scientific community therefore having control over school policy? It would seem the school itself should have that control; some schools will listen to the scientists, and some will use other methods, depending on which kind of parents they are hoping to attract.
because the scientific comunity determins what is in the curiculum for students here - not the goverment.
Quote:Why would I need statistics? Isn't it obvious to see that in multicultural countries, people of different religions and races are getting along fine? It's not perfect, of course not, but the fact that we aren't in a state of civil war between various religions internally seems to support my position more than yours. At the end of the day, when we are out in our everyday lives, we do not see each other as "Christian man" and "Muslim woman", we see each other as fellow humans.
missing point. my main focus is the US
fact is a parallel sociaty is a sociaty which as a the term selfexplanetory explains consistent of participants who reject the sociatal framework they live in and attempt to overthrow it with their own concept.
This might not be such a big problem in Europe.
But it surely is in the US if one looks at the evangelical community in the bible belt.
And homeschooling plays into the hands of such people who want to create a paralel sociaty.
Quote:You accused me of being a person who forces educational values onto people on a basis of nothing!
Quote:No, I did it based on your posts. You are still doing it. When you claim that only the scientific community should decide the standards of school education, you are forcing the empirical education value onto people. You might not think that you are, but you are.
Well and it is the only reasonable thing to do. Any other form of reasoning as the theory of Critical Rationalism is not accepted and hasnt brought satisfying results.
Or do you know a better epistological theory on which to base the aquirement of knowlege?
Quote:I can think of at least one friend I have who is like this (though he wasn't homeschooled). He is very well integrated with society; he has a good job, he supports his community, and (more importantly) he is a good friend who I have relied on many times. We have our philosophical differences, but we mostly leave them at the door (unless we're both up for a good debate). I feel sorry that you have not encountered such people; without them I would still be like you, misunderstanding the religious and making what are (in my opinion) bigoted comments about people you have never met.
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ok,
was he educated on a ordenary curiculum or was he thought that "evolution is a lie" and "secularism is evil" or other hogwash?
It is not that i dispise all religious people - i dispise the fundamentalist who wants to take over sociaty - who might be a minority - but exists.
Kousbroek verstaan jij de neo liberaalst ook niet?
