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Child abuse ?
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RE: Child abuse ?
(November 19, 2012 at 3:49 am)Tiberius Wrote: It appears that some people in this thread believe that they have the right (or at least, the government does) to control what parents teach their children.This is of course entirely based on their own preconceptions about what is real; completely ignoring the preconceptions of others. In other words, it's an undeniably selfish position to hold.
Maybe I overlooked a post or two but I haven't seen that anywhere. This is not based on my preconceptions about what is real, nore is it about other people's; in fact, it's the opposite. Children should be taught facts as fact. Teach your children of your beliefs if you want but don't say your belief is fact.

Quote:Just because science is held as a good method for determining what is true by the majority of people, does not make it the only way of determining truth, nor does it give that majority a right to impose it on others. Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and you were a science advocate in a sternly religious (and anti-science) country. Would you be fine with your countrymen denying you the right to teach your child your beliefs? I doubt it.
I would have a problem with that. Although, I don't see how that is relevant. Fallacious comparison.

You're equating science and fact with mere belief. No.

Quote:Thus, whilst you may think science is the best method for obtaining truth, it isn't the only method, and there are plenty of people who believe other methods are either equal or better. To deny these people to teach their own children their views is an ultimate violation of their rights as both humans and as parents.
Again, that word; believe. Why do you think people's beliefs have as much right as fact in governing a society or ANYTHING, for that matter?

Your post summed up:
"We shouldn't stop parents from teaching children their belief as fact on the basis that they might believe their belief."

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Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 9:39 am
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Lion IRC - November 19, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 19, 2012 at 3:49 am
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