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How is Yahweh not immoral?
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
(November 21, 2012 at 5:11 am)Gilgamesh Wrote:

Clarify.
We begin with the assumption that God is immoral and the Bible recounts examples of this. It is then claimed that Christians typically resort to "explaining away" immorality due to obviously bad arguments - that was the OT, it's out of context, we can't judge God. Having already assumed God to be immoral, Darkstar goes on to claim that since Christians acknowledge the Law of Moses is immoral (we don't) that Jesus should have overturned them, and since we ourselves don't follow them it "must mean" that it is immoral. This is an obvious straw man.

1. The law of Moses doesn't bring righteousness.


2. The law of Moses represents an old covenant. The new covenant in Christ is able to stand on its own and does not need to be yoked-together with the law of Moses.


3. The law of Moses was a continuation of covenants that God had made with his chosen people (the Hebrews, the Israelites, the Jews) to set them apart from the world. Christ represents a new covenant for all people "Greek and Jew". The covenant between God and Moses was for the Israelites, thus the covenants were made by the forefathers of the Jews. The covenant was not made for the gentile nations, their forefathers did not have covenants with God. Thus Christ brought a new covenant for the whole world - not to make existing covenants "obsolete" or "abolished".




Quote:Do you want to address this, now:
"If the laws of the OT coincide with the inferior moral views of the day (i.e. slavery permitted, semi-regular mass murders, etc.) then this is more evidence that they were created by human minds."
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Slavery in the Bible will take a good while to discuss. Deut 23:15 for instance says that slaves that have "escaped" their masters are not to be returned to their former masters. If the Jewish men had sex with their female slaves they had to either marry them (this would give them equal rights as to their Jewish wives) or free them. Jews were not allowed to have their slaves work on the Sabbath. Male slaves had to be freed after 7 years of service (or otherwise they could choose to remain a slave to their master). Etc. Slaves had extensive rights, something other cultures did not give them.
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How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Darkstar - November 20, 2012 at 11:49 pm
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Rev. Rye - November 21, 2012 at 12:02 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Darkstar - November 21, 2012 at 12:25 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Ryantology - November 21, 2012 at 3:09 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Whateverist - November 21, 2012 at 3:28 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 4:53 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 5:09 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Gilgamesh - November 21, 2012 at 5:11 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 5:58 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Darkstar - November 21, 2012 at 10:51 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 22, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by 957Chatterton - November 22, 2012 at 6:23 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 6:02 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 6:41 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 6:46 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by KichigaiNeko - November 21, 2012 at 6:43 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 8:56 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 9:01 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Rev. Rye - November 21, 2012 at 10:09 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 9:48 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Zen Badger - November 21, 2012 at 9:50 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Aractus - November 21, 2012 at 10:11 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by Rev. Rye - November 21, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral? - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2012 at 10:26 am
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