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Child abuse ?
RE: Child abuse ?
(November 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: I was watching an interview with Kirk Cameron on YT and as usual i was amused by his 'sincere stupidity' until he quite proudly stated "i'm a dad, i have children".
The 1st thing i thought was oh noo poor kids.
We as adults are able to see through the nonsense he is trying to force on us but his kids aren't.
The thought of him raising kids with ideas like: men walked with dinosaurs, 6000 yr old earth, a talking snake, a banana is proof of god etc ..
Shouldn't we stop calling this freedom of religion and start calling it what it is.

Child abuse.
I assume we are talking about christians in general and the use of the new testament and old testament.
From your examples, "men walked with dinosaurs, 6000 yr old earth, a talking snake, a banana is proof of god", I don't think it is child abuse because it brings no direct harm. I did not include your "etc" which could include things which I think could be thought of as child abuse.

Here in New South Wales, Australia, this is what is classed as child abuse (LINK) and psychological abuse is included.

Quote:psychological abuse or harm

Serious psychological harm can occur where the behaviour of their parent or caregiver damages the confidence and self esteem of the child or young person, resulting in serious emotional deprivation or trauma.

Although it is possible for ‘one-off’ incidents to cause serious harm, in general it is the frequency, persistence and duration of the parental or carer behaviour that is instrumental in defining the consequences for the child.

This can include a range of behaviours such as excessive criticism, withholding affection, exposure to domestic violence, intimidation or threatening behaviour.

The following verses I found HERE are from the World English Bible. The following could be used to inflict physical or emotion abuse in my opinion.

Proverbs 13:24 One who spares the rod hates his son, but one who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child: the rod of discipline drives it far from him.

Revelation 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."

Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and, though they chasten him, will not listen to them;
Deuteronomy 21:19 then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out to the elders of his city, and to the gate of his place;
Deuteronomy 21:20 and they shall tell the elders of his city, "This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard."
Deuteronomy 21:21 All the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones: so you shall put away the evil from the midst of you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Leviticus 20:9 "'For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death: he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Just from the above verses and the definition I provided it is quite possible for there to be child abuse within Kirk Cameron's family. I think it all depends on how the bible is interpreted and anyone who thinks "men walked with dinosaurs, 6000 yr old earth, a talking snake, a banana is proof of god" is a good candidate(not guaranteed) to inflict child abuse.
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Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Polaris - November 20, 2012 at 2:03 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by liam - November 22, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Faith No More - November 18, 2012 at 2:42 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Anomalocaris - November 21, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 18, 2012 at 3:00 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by festive1 - November 18, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 18, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 18, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 18, 2012 at 8:24 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 18, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 18, 2012 at 10:35 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 19, 2012 at 12:07 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 19, 2012 at 2:54 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 18, 2012 at 10:16 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 18, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 9:39 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 10:12 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 11:03 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Darkstar - November 18, 2012 at 8:05 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Lion IRC - November 18, 2012 at 11:59 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 18, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 4:03 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by JohnDG - November 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Gilgamesh - November 18, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Darkstar - November 18, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Darkstar - November 18, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Gilgamesh - November 18, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Gilgamesh - November 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by LastPoet - November 18, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Child abuse ? - by festive1 - November 18, 2012 at 5:15 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 18, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by The Grand Nudger - November 18, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Child abuse ? - by festive1 - November 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Lion IRC - November 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by pocaracas - November 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Faith No More - November 18, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by festive1 - November 18, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Lion IRC - November 19, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 19, 2012 at 3:49 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 19, 2012 at 10:16 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by John V - November 19, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Gilgamesh - November 19, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Faith No More - November 19, 2012 at 9:35 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 19, 2012 at 10:43 am
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Annik - November 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Faith No More - November 19, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 19, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Darkstar - November 19, 2012 at 5:12 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 19, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by genkaus - November 20, 2012 at 12:19 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 20, 2012 at 8:00 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by genkaus - November 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by genkaus - November 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by jonb - November 20, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Tiberius - November 19, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Cyberman - November 19, 2012 at 6:08 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by SpecUVdust - November 19, 2012 at 11:44 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 20, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 20, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by jonb - November 20, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 20, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Cyberman - November 20, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 20, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 20, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 20, 2012 at 9:32 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 21, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 21, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 21, 2012 at 3:28 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 21, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Rayaan - November 21, 2012 at 3:58 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 21, 2012 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 21, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 21, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 21, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 21, 2012 at 7:27 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 21, 2012 at 7:56 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 22, 2012 at 10:49 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 23, 2012 at 1:49 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by SpecUVdust - November 22, 2012 at 12:38 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by festive1 - November 22, 2012 at 11:26 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Shell B - November 22, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 22, 2012 at 5:37 pm
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RE: Child abuse ? - by Cyberman - November 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Waratah - November 22, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Child abuse ? - by Napoléon - November 23, 2012 at 7:19 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Something completely different - November 24, 2012 at 4:49 am
RE: Child abuse ? - by Kousbroek - November 25, 2012 at 5:52 pm

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