How is Yahweh not immoral?

[Drich]

/Yawn, standard appeal to might by Drich. Judges decisions are reversed, judges are taken off the bench, so clearly we have the ability to both question the ruling and authority of a judge. Nevertheless it isn't the judges moral character (whether good or bad) that wields the authority to compel you to pay a parking ticket. My opinion of a god doesn't matter with respects to a god regardless of whether or not such a creature exists. However, my opinion of the appeals made by you in defense of your god as they apply here, in the realm of reality - do matter.

Then it should be really easy for you to explain how it matters. And for that matter please explain how God as your final judge will be "taken off the bench?"

I said the only way you could do this is to appeal to the other 'power' in creation that apposes God. Is this your plan? Or again do you just hope to appeal to God's 'fairness' to step down even after you have judged Him to be unfair?

Your eagerness to argue in favor of tyranny so long as the tyrant is mighty is disturbing...not because I feel that there is any merit to this as an accurate assessment of some other-world, but insomuch as I then wonder what keeps you from stumping for the same here, in the realm of reality.

What you still do not understand is the trivial perspective in which YOU have judge God a tyrant. I have asked and asked for you to provide some kind of standard in which you or anyone else can judge God. The best you have been able to do is simply will God a tyrant because You do not agree with Him. It this really, the petty crap you hope to build your 'tyrant' arguement on? Or are you holding on to an Ace that waiting to spring on me?

Because if this is all you have, then I do agree (based on what you have said here) that one has to be weary about who he follows or the morals he ascribes himself to. Why? Because in your anti might makes right arguement, you appeal to" might makes right." In that you look to align yourself and your moral values to the larger group of people who just happen to think as you do, (even if it appeals to another goup of people) but as with all morality it is constantly changing and as such will change from soceity to soceity and even generation to generation, so again you are right. When your morality is based on nothing more than might makes right, one has to contantly be aware of who is currently in the 'right,'and then change his morality to fit the pack when it suits him.

The point of what? Bringing light to tyranny or injustice even in the absence of the ability to pursue it?

You have failed to submit a plan on how you are going to bring God to your sense of justice. So Yes what is the point of judging someone when you have no power or ablity to do anything about it?

A cursory glance at our history would provide you with countless examples of why one might find a point to this. Tyrants are not always within reach, their tyranny is not always easily opposed, but this does not alter the contemptuous nature of what they have done to deserve the title. Are we to pursue justice only when it is convenient, and otherwise bow our heads in complicity? I refuse.

Again Explain How you plan to over throw God's Authority and bring Him to Justice as you see it. Feel free to use as much "history" as you like.

I think you need to turn the lens inward on this one Drich. "We" as in human beings, are the -only- authority on these matters, because we are the only ones considering them, and the only ones even capable of considering such things so far as we know. Our own authority over ourselves has been established, while you are incapable of establishing so much as the existence of this god creature, let alone any authority you may care to claim for it (and I'm being generous here, because it's painfully transparent that you are claiming authority for yourself, not any god, with your remarks).

Red Herring.
You have changed the focous of this discussion. We were Speaking about God and the Authority of God to Judge. If you were engauged in this discussion(You Were Btw) then for the sake of this discussion, you have acknoweledged the existance of God. To just now appeal to the existance of God is intellectually dishonest of you. Your arguement in it's orginal form has failed, and now you want to change the arguement into something you think you can win. Which Unless you can provide a standard of Proof, (What the prameters of proof of God would look like) that arguement fails as well.

Here, where I live, no one has the authority or right to even be a master of slaves, so asking me whether or not a slave has the right to judge it's master comes across as an entirely juvenile question.

Why? Because you do not have the knoweledge nor experience to answer what has been asked of you? Allow me, the answer is no. A slave does not have the right to Question His master.

The master, by brute force of establishing himself as such requires no judgement to be made by the slave because the business of making another human being your property is itself a condemnation of law and character.

This is an assumption based on what? The TV series 'roots?" In your self admitted "juvenile" understanding of slavery, is 'brute force' the only way a slave can be subserveiant to his master?
If you knew you did not have the wherewith all to answer the first question what makes you think you answered the second correctly?

Again, allow me. I know it may be hard for you to understand because of how slaves were treated in Victorean era, but some slaves (Even now) love their masters and willingly submit to them.

Why would you appeal to such a hideous argument in the first place, am I to assume that you support the institution of slavery?

If you live in the modern era then you are a direct benficiary of slavery. The Slaves of the past who were beaten in the cotton fields of the south and Modern day slaves (allbeit they are not alled that for PC reasons.) I (Being only the 2nd generation born outside of slavery) have no issue identifying slavery nor benfiting from it, as we all have our parts to play in soceity. Futhermore I can quickly identify the role or level we must submit ourself to before God will welcome us as sons and daughters. If this is my lot in life then I will be a slave.

If you do not, then perhaps you shouldn't appeal to it's conventions?

So then I should right??

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DRICH, the point is that we decide if we will worship him, disbelieve in him, or defiantly suffer his injustice like the some of the British soldiers in German concentration camps during WWII. IF we judge him to be imaginary, we ignore him, but argue with his followers. If we judge him to be evil but real, we defy him as best we can.

Besides, if you observe the biblical claims, you'd see that despite once being powerful and active, god has grown very senile and can't even get out of bed to shit anymore.

I got this. I got this.

In my best Drichy voice:

"Oh we'll see how senile He is when he opens a can of whoop ass vengence on your ass at the judgement!!

Oh, Oh Let me go now, Let me Go...
(In my best "Cinjin" or "Faith no more" voice)

"That is 25 point for preaching! How many times must we post the rules on preaching? Derpa, derpa, Stop being a martyr! Herpa, Derpa, We have been nothing but fair and understanding..."