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How Christians and there god sound to me.
RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
(November 27, 2012 at 11:52 am)CliveStaples Wrote: But God doesn't "figure things out for you". That's just a strawman that people have crafted because they want to conclude "lol xtians don't exercise critical judgment."

What specifically in this passage leads you to conclude that the text instructs believers to 'let God figure things out' for them?

Well, this is as far as I can see it: If you don't just take "god's" word for it, you will end up becoming an atheist. Therefore, Christians must withhold critical evaluation of the bible, lest they become atheists, or at least form a negative opinion of god.

(November 27, 2012 at 11:52 am)CliveStaples Wrote: You're just asking about the agency of God. Typically examples (e.g., anecdotal evidence) are automatically dismissed precisely because they would entail that God actually acted in the world. So I don't know what kind of evidence you would actually even possibly accept.

Actually, I was referring to the biblical accounts, but okay. Let's say that god does exist, and he interacts with the earth as well. Unless he were deliberatley concealing his own existence, he would not go to such great lengths to prevent people from proving that they had encountered him. An anecdote alone is insufficient, physical proof isn't. If somehow a being suspended the laws of physics, we would have to conclude either that it was a super advanced alien, or a god. Which exact god, and whether or we should worship it would be another matter, but we would know it existed. Dreams, hearing voices, and coincidences do not constitute evidence of an omnipotent being. God made his prescence known on a massive scale in the biblical days, and yet he appears to be hiding now that we have the scientific knowlegde to possibly disprove false miracles. How is that for a meaningful "coincidence"?
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