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Avoiding questions
RE: Avoiding questions
(December 6, 2012 at 10:47 am)Drich Wrote: In my own study of the word tohu in its various contexts, in a decided preponderance of the instances, the emphasis is not on form, but on function. Here, too, in Genesis 1:2, in its broader context of Genesis 1:1-2:3, I believe, the translation must carefully balance form and function.

Please provide the evidence that this belief of his correct. And note, bringing in how tohu is used in other contexts is ultimately futile, as we're not interested in what the possible uses of tohu are, but its specific, actual usage in this passage and from there what it might say about the use of bohu (but since tohu isn't paired with bohu any but these three places, he and you are pulling this greater implication concerning the significance of their pairing out of your ass; for all we know, tohu and bohu might be an idiomatic phrase like "shits and giggles" - go ahead and do a word study of how the word 'shit' is used in other places to use as evidence as to what the phrase "shits and giggles" means, I dare you). As I noted which you "ignored and dismissed," attempting to draw such grand conclusions from two examples of a phrase, both widely separated in time, is simply not robust or reliable.


Drich, you're playing with toys that you don't half understand, and making a mess of it.

(ETA: And note, he explicitly states that "a decided preponderance" of examples of the use of tohu support his argument; that means that there are examples of the use of tohu which don't support his argument. Please explain to us on what basis you and he are dismissing those other uses of tohu as being incapable of serving as the model for its usage when paired with bohu. You can't. It's that simple. Your own source clearly implies that there are exemplars which would undercut his hypothesis. Once again, you've been refuted by your own source.)


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Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Norfolk And Chance - November 28, 2012 at 12:07 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Vera - November 28, 2012 at 12:09 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Darkstar - November 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Vera - November 29, 2012 at 5:13 am
RE: Avoiding questions - by LastPoet - November 28, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Darkstar - November 28, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Something completely different - November 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Cato - November 28, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Rhizomorph13 - November 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 4:51 pm
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RE: Avoiding questions - by thesummerqueen - November 28, 2012 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Avoiding questions - by Kirbmarc - November 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm
RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - November 28, 2012 at 5:03 pm
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RE: Avoiding questions - by Gambit - November 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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RE: Avoiding questions - by Rhizomorph13 - November 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm
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RE: Avoiding questions - by Drich - December 2, 2012 at 10:24 am
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