RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
December 8, 2012 at 7:39 pm
(This post was last modified: December 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm by median.)
(November 27, 2012 at 12:58 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: You haven't supported your claim. If you're going to claim that God has stopped interacting, you have to support it. The burden isn't on me to disprove you; the burden is on you to prove your truth-claims.
There seems to be a very subtle hint of burden shifting going on.
None of this makes any sense because the term 'God' has no referent (just like the term "Blark" has no referent). If you assert that it does than the burden of proof is on you. And since you have titled yourself here as "Protestant Christian" it is reasonable to infer that the burden is, indeed, on you.
(November 27, 2012 at 1:32 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Hmm. Well, I don't think God has intervened in my life in any significantly different way than He intervenes in the lives of anyone else, believer or not.
Then your "God" (whatever you are attempting to refer to, or by most classical definitions) is one that is indistinguishable from our experience with unicorns, Allah, Krishna, or Annunaki space aliens, Thus quite indistinguishable from non-existence.
(November 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Wonder away to your heart's content. But when "some folks" start making claims--like "God has stopped interacting"--then they have the burden of giving evidence to support their claims.
To quote Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
No, they don't. This claim is a negative one. It is the negation of an assertion. You should know that it is impossible to prove a universal negative (i.e. - that a supposedly universal being has stopped doing something). Must this really be spoken? One would first have to prove that such a being (if we can call it that) actually exists (which of course you know is not accepted by those of us who reject theism). Thus, your attempted rebuttal is actually an attempt to shift the burden of proof, while (perhaps deliberately) misreading the meaning of what was stated. When one of us says, "God has stopped interacting", you know we don't believe this alleged Yahweh exists, right? So we are NOT talking literally (i.e. - we are NOT making a positive claim).
- I thought you apologists were supposed to know about "meanings in context".
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