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Was at least the first life form created?
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RE: Was at least the first life form created?
(October 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm)rjh4 Wrote: 1. If life in our universe (space/time continuum) never could have spontaneously arisen from non-living matter/energy, then at least the first life form to exist in our universe was created.

You are asserting that life could never have spontaneously arisen. You have to prove that in order for the statement to be true. You have not done that.

(October 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm)rjh4 Wrote: The truthfulness of the first statement, the hypothetical proposition or major premise, to me seems self evident since I cannot think of another possibility.

Argument from ignorance. Just because you can't imagine another method, does not mean it doesn't exist.

(October 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm)rjh4 Wrote: The second statement, the minor premise, I believe to be true. I know some of you might be thinking at this point: “This guy is crazy because scientists have proven that abiogenesis is a fact.” My answer to that would be that I disagree that scientists have proven that abiogenesis is a fact. A bunch of ideas about how abiogenesis might have occurred without any experimental evidence that it is, in fact, possible (experiments where abiogenesis occurs) is not sufficient evidence to prove abiogenesis is a fact (at least for me). Furthermore, I think the repeated attempts at abiogenesis by scientists and/or the failure to achieve this by scientists provides operational scientific support for this statement. So if you think that the second statement is false, please point me to some reproducible experimentation where some scientist has gotten abiogenesis to occur.

If you prove abiogenesis false, which you have failed to do so, you would still have to prove that there is no other possible way for life to come from non-life.

The Miller-Urey experiment proves they can achieve the building blocks for life, Amino Acids, from non-life. It doesn't matter that the conditions are now known to not have been those of early earth. It doesn't matter because that's not what you're claiming. By the simple statement of life coming from non-life, this experiment shows it's possible and that you are wrong.

Furthermore, just because we don't know specifically how the first ancestor was formed, does not mean "God did it".
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

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Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 9, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 9, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 9, 2009 at 4:25 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Nick A. - October 9, 2009 at 6:07 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 9, 2009 at 7:20 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by fr0d0 - October 9, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 10, 2009 at 9:00 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 12, 2009 at 8:15 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 12, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 10:52 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 12, 2009 at 9:50 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 13, 2009 at 1:11 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 14, 2009 at 10:11 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Minimalist - October 13, 2009 at 11:50 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Nick A. - October 13, 2009 at 2:38 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 13, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 14, 2009 at 3:08 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 14, 2009 at 8:01 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 15, 2009 at 8:20 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 15, 2009 at 8:38 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 15, 2009 at 8:59 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 15, 2009 at 9:08 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 15, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 15, 2009 at 10:04 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 15, 2009 at 10:42 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Darwinian - October 15, 2009 at 11:25 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Minimalist - October 15, 2009 at 11:44 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 15, 2009 at 5:21 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 16, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Darwinian - October 15, 2009 at 5:29 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 15, 2009 at 8:56 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by leo-rcc - October 16, 2009 at 4:00 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 16, 2009 at 10:37 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 16, 2009 at 11:01 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 16, 2009 at 11:46 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 16, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 16, 2009 at 12:48 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 16, 2009 at 1:06 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Darwinian - October 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 16, 2009 at 7:54 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 16, 2009 at 10:24 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by padraic - October 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 17, 2009 at 6:28 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 17, 2009 at 10:17 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 17, 2009 at 11:04 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 18, 2009 at 1:43 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 18, 2009 at 8:54 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by fr0d0 - October 18, 2009 at 5:34 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Dotard - October 18, 2009 at 8:29 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by fr0d0 - October 18, 2009 at 8:39 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 19, 2009 at 9:27 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 10:33 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 19, 2009 at 11:16 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 11:44 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 19, 2009 at 12:13 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 1:25 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 2:02 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 2:35 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 4:19 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 19, 2009 at 2:44 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 19, 2009 at 3:37 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 4:01 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 4:36 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Meatball - October 19, 2009 at 3:15 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 6:05 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 19, 2009 at 11:23 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 11:58 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 20, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Tiberius - October 20, 2009 at 8:02 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 20, 2009 at 9:14 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Retorth - October 20, 2009 at 10:16 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Eilonnwy - October 20, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by fr0d0 - October 20, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by Darwinian - October 20, 2009 at 10:20 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by rjh4 - October 20, 2009 at 10:51 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by fr0d0 - October 21, 2009 at 3:11 am
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by solarwave - October 28, 2009 at 12:38 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by solarwave - October 30, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Was at least the first life form created? - by leo-rcc - October 28, 2009 at 1:29 pm

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