The free speech thread

[CapnAwesome]

The freedom of speech ends nowhere. Including incitement for violence against people, the only thing I separate that from is specific plans to murder someone, which has to include more than just speech anyway. Saying that so and so should die, or deserves to die is how our country was founded. Criminalizing calls for violence criminalizes calls for revolution and a change in government if need be. There should be no limit on speech. If you are too stupid to realize that there isn't a fire in the theater, that is your problem.

Ah, but that's not what I was talking about in the slightest. Saying someone should die is not quite what I meant what I said: "explicitly and demonstrably threatens the safety of others." Planning to kill someone and inciting them to kill are more like it. At any rate, the law disagrees with you. Charles Manson never killed anyone. Do you know where he is?

Yeah, we may be talking about different things. I agree that planning someone's murder is (and should be) illegal, whether that is done privately or with public speech. I guess that's where I draw my limit.