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The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh
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RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh
(December 12, 2012 at 9:14 am)John V Wrote: Fair enough. Most internet atheists these days don't know jack. I should have said that more knowledge is available for some religions' prophets than for others.

Regarding evidence, a dictionary definition is:
Quote:ground for belief or disbelief; data on which to base proof or to establish truth or falsehood
The Bible doesn't fit the second definition, as "establish" is too strong a word. However, it does fit the first. There are people who have read the Bible and found it acceptable grounds for belief in the events described within it. It's not conclusive, and you're free not to believe. However, you don't get to proclaim what is and isn't evidence for all people.

To the first point, it seems you are mixing definitions. We do not have "knowledge of prophets". We have people (whose standards of evidence are very low, and who practice credulity, gullibility, and intellectual hypocrisy) who read these texts (and since they already WANTED to believe the supernatural) they ASSUMED it was "a true prophet". But that is an unwarranted assumption/assertion. You have not provided extraordinary evidence of any true prophets, b/c "prophet" assumes your theology (and no, the bible is not extraordinary evidence). The bible is THE CLAIM, upon which you must now provide the extraordinary evidence (just like the other religious texts). So claiming "more manuscripts", or "confirmed archeology", etc are not sufficient (anymore than New York confirms Spiderman or Egypt confirms Horus/Isis). Textual accounts of the supernatural (just like all the other texts through history) are not sufficient to establish a miracle. You need far more than this (even as your bible alludes! Mark16). Unexplained phenomena are not evidence either, because there are hundreds of examples of unexplained phenomena that are later found to be perfectly natural in their origin (i.e. - explained!). Fact is, you can literally call ANY strange occurrence a "miracle" when you don't have more information. This is exactly what the Astrologers and New Agers do. It doesn't work.

Second, the bible's claims to the supernatural (just like other religious texts) does not fit either of your definitions. Textual accounts of the supernatural are NOT grounds for belief. That is why you have "FAITH", remember? But faith is useless, because it does not provide a reliable avenue for separating fact from fiction.

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The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 10, 2012 at 8:56 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by downbeatplumb - December 11, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Voltron - December 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Cinjin - December 11, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by pocaracas - December 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Simon Moon - December 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 11, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Dee Dee Ramone - December 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Welsh cake - December 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Darkstar - December 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 12, 2012 at 9:14 am
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Cinjin - December 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 12, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Voltron - December 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Brian37 - December 13, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 14, 2012 at 11:57 am
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Voltron - December 14, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Voltron - December 14, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 14, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Voltron - December 14, 2012 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by overlord fombax - December 14, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by median - December 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by ThomM - December 14, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Jackalope - December 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 11, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Dee Dee Ramone - December 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 12, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Brian37 - December 13, 2012 at 2:30 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 13, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Brian37 - December 13, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Angrboda - December 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Angrboda - December 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by John V - December 14, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 14, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RE: The Reasons to Believe in Yahweh - by Minimalist - December 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm

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