(December 12, 2012 at 4:06 am)FutureAndAHope Wrote:(December 12, 2012 at 3:04 am)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Well thank you.
I wonder what you think of science and how it conflicts with the bible.
How do you explain this?
Many years ago I did some study into scientific cases for creation, and scientific cases against evolution. The stuff that I looked into all seemed logical. I have heard there are some fairly stupid arguments out there for creation as well. But that happens all the the time with religion, you get genuine good people with good arguments, and you get some flaky people that just make very body else look bad, often they are delusional. I have had some moments in my own life where my arguments and thinking were not rational, so it is the pot calling the kettle black. But I think now I am fairly sane religiously speaking.
What I would suggest is if you have time look into the arguments for creation for yourself. I am not suggesting you are going to get some great revelation but at least you will see there are some good points for both sides.
I think all of science aside the one question that can not be answered logically is how do we exist. There has always been something. Existence has always been around. Nothing can't create something. You need elements to create a big bang. So it is beyond our human mind to comprehend, where did those first initial elements come from. Then, how can a God always have existed with all his atoms and matter. On the flip side, how can nothing create something. Both arguments when using human reasoning have no answer. Then there is the thought, did God evolve, and we were created. Who knows, all I know is we don't have all the answers.
By the way the reason I was so slow in responding is my wife came home, so I could not post.
Something vs nothing is what you get trapped in as a distraction to the real issue.
A GOD IS NOT REQUIRED no matter if the universe came from something or nothing, anymore than we can determine which molicule of moisture off the African coast is the trigger of a hurricane. A hurricane does not need an ocean god to happen.
CONDITIONS not a who, are what lead to our universe, much like spring leads to fall and fall to winter and winter to spring and spring to summer.
NOTHING in our universe needs any man made superstition to explain it. And what we dont currently know will never be solved by inserting ancient myths and non existent magical beings into it.
FYI there are no scientific arguments against evolution. There are idiots who don't like evolution because it conflicts with their self delusions and will come up with elaborate tripe. EVOLUTION is as much a fact as gravity.
The only reason god belief persists is because humans do not understand their own psychology in that perceptions are notoriously flawed and they invent gods to give themselves false comfort.
People like religion and god claims because reality isn't sexy enough for them.
