(October 11, 2009 at 1:32 pm)ecolox Wrote: Evolution can't operate without the universe, which can't operate without God.How so? How can't it operate without God? How is God required at all?
The universe can't operate with God if he doesn't exist, and give me some evidence that he exists. Instead of merely asserting that he is required for the universe without actually evidencing that.
Quote:You have to explain everything - not just evolution - to really explain conscious intelligence (physics, chemistry, abiogenesis, evolution, how does the universe exist, etc).
No one has explained it all yet. We don't know where the laws of physics come from. Some, such as yourself, claim that "God did it". But they, and you, fail to explain where God comes from - and also, how he's at all required. You are merely barely asserting that he exists and that he is required, if he exists, how does he? What reason is there to believe that he does? And how is he required in order for the universe to exist? Why does he have to cause it - or "create" it?
Quote:Plus, evolution is not even complete as a explanation - still incomplete.
Evolution has more evidence being gathered all the time...science actually progresses, unlike religion. Evolution has tons of evidence, unlike God.
And if you are suggesting - as I've seen you do so before - that evolution is "incomplete" because that it doesn't explain where life comes from (or even where the universe comes from): It's not supposed to. That isn't what evolution is about. Evolution is about how life evolves, not where it comes from, and it's got nothing to do with the creation of the universe.
Know one knows completely where the universe came from originally yet, no one knows fully yet, no one knows of the first cause yet - But that's not what evolution is about, it's got nothing to do with evolution...
...and what about God? How does he explain it? He doesn't: Because he's just asserted as an explanation, and an explanation isn't an explanation if it's just a completely unwarranted baseless assertion.
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