(October 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm)ecolox Wrote: [...]Secondly, even if it had, it wouldn't prove that you didn't need God, because explaining a portion of something's creation is not explaining all that is needed.
You - and anyone else I've ever encountered, as far as I am aware - have completely failed to explain that you do need God. You merely assert that he is needed to create the universe. But you don't explain him. What response do I get when I ask for God's explanation? - That he somehow doesn't need an explanation, because he's the creator, he's at the beginning...
...oh yeah? You could say the same about something else that sparked off the big bang that wasn't a supernatural creator, a deity. I could say the same about the laws of physics, I could just say 'they were always there, the laws of physics, were always ..."just there" '...
...the usual response I get is "But the laws would need to be designed, since they are complicated, so God is the designer" - but then how come the same explanation isn't required of him? If God can just be there without explanation, if he can just be asserted - completely ignoring an explanation for all his intelligence and power, all his complexity: Then why can't the same be done for the laws of physics? I could just as easily assert their complexity without an explanation. And their "complexity" is a whole lot more fucking simple than God! They're the fundamental constants of the universe - as far as we know - !! Why is a super-complex super creator required for them, and yet he requires no explanation himself somehow?
It's a whole lot more probable that something simple is at the beginning than something complex, complexity requires a much bigger explanation and is a whole lot less likely to 'just exist' or arise from chance. If something is to be at the beginning, it is to be ultimately simple. Not something super intelligent and superpowerful with super consciousness and the ability to design things, such as "God".
And I've heard you else where, bang on and on about how everything must be explained, so evolution is no good - according to you...- because it doesn't explain where life comes from (and as I said...it's not supposed to, that's not what evolution is for...): But guess what? How typical of you! ...: You say everything needs an explanation, but what you mean is...everything except God! You refuse to explain God! Why? Well...you have failed to explain why. You're just giving special treatment, as I hope I've shown through this post.
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