RE: What proof and evidence is there for "atheism" to be accurate and correct?
December 30, 2012 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2012 at 7:26 pm by pocaracas.)
(December 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm)SavedByChrist94 Wrote:oh, FFS!(December 30, 2012 at 10:54 am)pocaracas Wrote: The lack of all of these reasons to believe, ends up in a lack of belief.
Therefore settled, since there is not a lack of evidence, according to you a "lack of belief" is false.
[quote='pocaracas' pid='379196' dateline='1356879299']The rest of the copy/paste was a bit TL-DR, but the first part was an immediate red flag - If you take the bible as trustworthy, why not take the torah, the koran, the vedas, or any other holy book as trustworthy?
quran states semen is from someones backbone, and Genesis/Jeremiah disprove it, "islam" is automatically false.
The Bible however is approx. 40 different witnesses, approx 60 books with no contradiction. Witnesses Died for their beliefs with nothing to gain therefore by Court of Law are valid for investigation, after investigation it is proven that Jesus In Fact Resurrected from the dead, validating the rest of the events in The Bible.
In less than a week, I can come up with some 50 people with completely accurate and non-contradicting accounts of something extraordinary... let's say, for argument's sake, something out of the Lord of the rings universe.
People who die for what they believe can be found in all religions. Does that make them true? Oh, and these people also claim their holy books to be free from contradictions.
And what investigation is this that proves " that Jesus In Fact Resurrected from the dead"? Please, we beg of you, bring it forward for all of us to see.
(December 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm)SavedByChrist94 Wrote:(December 30, 2012 at 10:54 am)pocaracas Wrote: The shroud? That 12th century thing? LOL
A few days ago, a church in Chicago (I think) claimed to have some pieces of cloth from the virgin mary, joseph and the christ child and also some remains of manger itself... but refuses to let those artifacts be scientifically tested.... oh, I wonder why...
Actually The Shroud is from the 1st century, All Scientific evidence points to that, read this if you are an unbiased, God loving man,
http://www.shroud-enigma.com/resources/R...on-ENG.pdf
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marben.pdf
http://www.shroud.com/scavone3.pdf
So much reading, so little time, but look at what comes out of the site you sent, the original 1988 scientific paper establishing the "age range with at least 95% confidence for the linen of the Shroud of Turin of AD 1260 - 1390":
http://www.shroud.com/nature.htm
And you provide links to speculations and doubts about the samples not being representative of the cloth.... please! read the original paper. There's a whole section about how they got the samples.
(December 30, 2012 at 12:26 pm)SavedByChrist94 Wrote:If god wants me to know he exists, then he will make me know it by some extraordinary means which will leave me unable to doubt nor consider the highly technological entity hypothesis.(December 30, 2012 at 10:54 am)pocaracas Wrote: It IS my birthday and that's not something I wish to throw away reading something that starts with utter trash.
So if you found out God exists it would bother you? I'm ruining your birthday by proving God exists? God(The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit) isn't a killjoy, He is an Overjoy, this is the best birthday present you'll ever get in life.
He will not make me know it by having some human tell me about it. That is the hallmark of a man-made myth.
I eagerly await such godly intervention.... sadly, none has yet come forth. And lots and lots of people also claim that such intervention has not manifested. And no theist thus far has managed to convince me that such thing happened to them, either...
So, why should I believe that some god exists, when he shows all the marks of something man-made and none of something extraordinary and divine?
One last thing, my next birthday will be my 33rd... That would make this 2013 a good year for that guy to show up.... until then, I can't accept your (or anyone else's) man-made myth as representative of reality.