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Do you control what you believe?
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RE: Do you control what you believe?
(January 3, 2013 at 11:02 pm)naimless Wrote:
(January 3, 2013 at 1:20 am)whateverist Wrote: Or we could say we do control what we believe in order to suit ourselves. We just don't control what suits ourselves. We're more involved consciously than most determinists and monists allow, but of course there is something about being someone in particular which prejudices ones choices.

If I could control what I believe to suit myself, I would not be an atheist.

I feel like I should send you a cake with a file in it. So sorry to hear that atheism is such a prison for you. Perhaps feeling as though you are being truthful with yourself is even more important to you than the comforts of theism?

(January 4, 2013 at 2:46 am)apophenia Wrote:
(January 3, 2013 at 1:20 am)whateverist Wrote: Or we could say we do control what we believe in order to suit ourselves. We just don't control what suits ourselves. We're more involved consciously than most determinists and monists allow, but of course there is something about being someone in particular which prejudices ones choices.


“A man’s character is his fate.”
— Heraclitus

“We don’t see things the way they are. We see things the way we are.”
— Anais Nin

“I haven't any strength, I haven't any character, I'm a born tool. I haven't any destiny. All I have is dreams. And now other people run them.”
— The Lathe Of Heaven, Ursula K Le Guin

I can pretty much give each of these quotes an amen. But I feel no loss of freedom in that. Free to be me, is all the free I ever hoped for. That doesn't feel like a prison cell to me because I do not start out knowing the extent of 'me'. I'll confess, I like what I've come to so far. I'll probably run out of time long before I run out new 'me' to discover.
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Do you control what you believe? - by CapnAwesome - October 9, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Napoléon - October 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Nine - October 9, 2012 at 3:10 pm
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RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Kayenneh - October 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 9, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Do you control what you believe? - by festive1 - October 9, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Brian37 - October 9, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by genkaus - October 11, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by shiver23 - October 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 9, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Reforged - October 9, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Angrboda - October 10, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Dumac Dwarfking - October 10, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Aroura - October 11, 2012 at 12:53 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2012 at 10:33 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Aroura - October 11, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Aroura - October 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2012 at 11:36 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Aroura - October 11, 2012 at 11:57 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 12, 2012 at 2:32 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Anomalocaris - October 10, 2012 at 1:27 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by festive1 - October 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Angrboda - October 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by JohnDG - October 10, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 10, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by JohnDG - October 10, 2012 at 6:04 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 23, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 24, 2012 at 5:27 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 24, 2012 at 8:33 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 24, 2012 at 9:24 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Ryantology - October 23, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by jonb - October 23, 2012 at 6:50 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 23, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 23, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Do you control what you believe? - by festive1 - October 23, 2012 at 8:16 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 23, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 23, 2012 at 10:29 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 23, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 23, 2012 at 10:57 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by jonb - October 23, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - October 24, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Polaris - October 24, 2012 at 12:50 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by YASHA - October 26, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 26, 2012 at 2:29 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by MysticKnight - October 26, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Darkstar - October 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 26, 2012 at 7:15 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 8:44 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 28, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 28, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - October 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by MysticKnight - October 28, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - October 28, 2012 at 10:24 pm
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RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 12:28 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - October 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2012 at 8:01 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 2:27 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 6:11 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 10:18 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 11:18 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 3:24 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - November 1, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - November 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - November 1, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Angrboda - December 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - December 9, 2012 at 10:24 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by clemdog14 - December 18, 2012 at 1:48 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by IATIA - December 25, 2012 at 1:14 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - December 25, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - December 31, 2012 at 5:47 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by naimless - January 2, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - January 3, 2013 at 1:20 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by naimless - January 3, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - January 4, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by naimless - January 5, 2013 at 3:55 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Angrboda - January 4, 2013 at 2:46 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by paulpablo - January 3, 2013 at 1:57 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Whateverist - January 3, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by KichigaiNeko - January 3, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Violet - January 4, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - January 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by naimless - January 6, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Zone - January 9, 2013 at 5:39 am
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 4:45 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by BGChuckLee - January 9, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by The Grand Nudger - January 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Edwardo Piet - January 9, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Dee Dee Ramone - January 9, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by Ryantology - January 9, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Do you control what you believe? - by jonb - January 12, 2013 at 8:15 pm

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