the wife beating verse
January 5, 2013 at 9:42 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2013 at 9:47 pm by paulpablo.)
Im sure this has probably done before on this forum but i didnt see a new thread about it so im making my own.
Sahih International
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Muhsin Khan
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
Pickthall
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Yusuf Ali
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Shakir
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Dr. Ghali
Men are the ever upright (managers) (of the affairs) of women for what Allah has graced some of them over (some) others and for what they have expended of their riches. So righteous women are devout, preservers of the Unseen for. And the ones whom you fear their non-compliance, then admonish them and forsake them in their beds, (Literally: a madajic= reeclining) and strike them, (i.e. hit them lightly) yet in case they obey you, then do not seek inequitably any way against them; surely Allah has been Ever-Exalted, Ever-Great.
Here are six different independant translations of the wife beating verse in the quran.
Here are some excuses for this. In my opinion all pretty crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1DpNIJL-Fk
First excuse which ive encountered SOOOOO many times with muslims. The word "beat" is misunderstood, ive encountered this before with the word "day" "backbone" "ribs" and others in the quran, first arabic translators were sure these words were correctly translated but when they are used in contexts within the quran that are scientifically or morally wrong all of a sudden no one is sure what they mean.
Basically even though the word "beat" has been translated in the context of beating the wife time and time again by many muslims who know arabic we dont know what this word means.
In this video the man says it COULD be in the context of the husband hitting the wife with an idea. If my blood wasnt boiling with rage about how much of an obvious ridiculous con this is id probably laugh at that idea.
He then says the man couldnt possibly hit his wife because in the next verse it talks about the family getting together and talking about the problems between the man and wife. This means nothing, you might aswell deny domestic abuse ever happens because every daughter has a father so how could the father let this happen. In court if domestic abuse is implied in a situation it would be ridiculous if a witness was called in who said "no the woman couldnt have been beaten by her husband i saw them at a family get together after the alledged beating was supposed to have taken place so therefore it didnt happen".
Contrarywise to this opinion, a different excuse has been made by a muslim who seems to understand the quran DOES mean beat in the context of beating your wife. Oh but this time it means beat with a toothbrush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC44SDOrIhY
The exact part is around 3 minutes 30 seconds into the video.
Im basically posting this thread to show the ridiculous and contradictory arguments posed by some muslims when trying to desperately come up with excuses and wanted some opinions on this.
Sahih International
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
Muhsin Khan
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband's property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.
Pickthall
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Yusuf Ali
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Shakir
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Dr. Ghali
Men are the ever upright (managers) (of the affairs) of women for what Allah has graced some of them over (some) others and for what they have expended of their riches. So righteous women are devout, preservers of the Unseen for. And the ones whom you fear their non-compliance, then admonish them and forsake them in their beds, (Literally: a madajic= reeclining) and strike them, (i.e. hit them lightly) yet in case they obey you, then do not seek inequitably any way against them; surely Allah has been Ever-Exalted, Ever-Great.
Here are six different independant translations of the wife beating verse in the quran.
Here are some excuses for this. In my opinion all pretty crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1DpNIJL-Fk
First excuse which ive encountered SOOOOO many times with muslims. The word "beat" is misunderstood, ive encountered this before with the word "day" "backbone" "ribs" and others in the quran, first arabic translators were sure these words were correctly translated but when they are used in contexts within the quran that are scientifically or morally wrong all of a sudden no one is sure what they mean.
Basically even though the word "beat" has been translated in the context of beating the wife time and time again by many muslims who know arabic we dont know what this word means.
In this video the man says it COULD be in the context of the husband hitting the wife with an idea. If my blood wasnt boiling with rage about how much of an obvious ridiculous con this is id probably laugh at that idea.
He then says the man couldnt possibly hit his wife because in the next verse it talks about the family getting together and talking about the problems between the man and wife. This means nothing, you might aswell deny domestic abuse ever happens because every daughter has a father so how could the father let this happen. In court if domestic abuse is implied in a situation it would be ridiculous if a witness was called in who said "no the woman couldnt have been beaten by her husband i saw them at a family get together after the alledged beating was supposed to have taken place so therefore it didnt happen".
Contrarywise to this opinion, a different excuse has been made by a muslim who seems to understand the quran DOES mean beat in the context of beating your wife. Oh but this time it means beat with a toothbrush.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC44SDOrIhY
The exact part is around 3 minutes 30 seconds into the video.
Im basically posting this thread to show the ridiculous and contradictory arguments posed by some muslims when trying to desperately come up with excuses and wanted some opinions on this.
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