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RE: Reasons for God
October 20, 2009 at 10:10 pm
(October 20, 2009 at 9:55 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: So how can "faith" make you any more selfless?

how is it 'vain' to do good for other humans and yourself, without doing it for God? There is actually evidence of other humans, unlike God. How is it better to be selfless by having faith in "God" than to just care because you care, and to want to help others, completely irrespective of whether you believe in "God" or not?

How is faith valid in this matter?

EvF

How are those things you're claiming valid or even possible? What is the motive behind those things? --- e.g. What if you were the lonely, rejected helper of people? Where would your drive come from? "Just care because you care"? That doesn't seem realistic in the least. It sounds like trying to pull yourself up off the ground with your own bootstraps. Jesus was rejected, yet motivated...he had faith.

Your question is how faith in something that is far greater than yourself or God results in greater humility or selflessness? Is that not self-evident?
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Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 10, 2009 at 4:32 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Secularone - October 10, 2009 at 7:19 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 10, 2009 at 8:25 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by padraic - October 10, 2009 at 8:33 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 12, 2009 at 10:58 am
RE: Reasons for God - by theVOID - October 12, 2009 at 11:33 am
RE: Reasons for God - by theVOID - October 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 10, 2009 at 10:04 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 10:50 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 6:07 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 7:46 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 8:48 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 15, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Reasons for God - by padraic - October 10, 2009 at 11:16 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 10, 2009 at 11:37 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by padraic - October 10, 2009 at 11:54 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 12:53 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 11, 2009 at 1:07 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 11, 2009 at 4:05 am
RE: Reasons for God - by padraic - October 11, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Secularone - October 11, 2009 at 9:42 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 11, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Tiberius - October 11, 2009 at 7:48 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 11, 2009 at 8:26 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 11, 2009 at 9:14 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 11, 2009 at 9:24 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 12, 2009 at 12:13 am
RE: Reasons for God - by downbeatplumb - October 12, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 12, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Retorth - October 13, 2009 at 8:54 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 13, 2009 at 2:42 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 14, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 15, 2009 at 11:50 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 16, 2009 at 3:33 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 18, 2009 at 12:59 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 18, 2009 at 9:39 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 19, 2009 at 1:37 am
RE: Reasons for God - by theVOID - October 19, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 20, 2009 at 8:53 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 16, 2009 at 4:32 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 16, 2009 at 4:41 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Darwinian - October 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 16, 2009 at 4:54 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by downbeatplumb - October 17, 2009 at 12:33 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Darwinian - October 16, 2009 at 4:58 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 16, 2009 at 9:44 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 17, 2009 at 10:47 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Retorth - October 18, 2009 at 3:41 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 18, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 19, 2009 at 8:21 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 20, 2009 at 6:07 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 20, 2009 at 9:52 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2009 at 8:56 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2009 at 9:55 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 20, 2009 at 10:10 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 20, 2009 at 11:03 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 22, 2009 at 1:19 am
RE: Reasons for God - by AngelaRachnid - October 22, 2009 at 2:21 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 22, 2009 at 10:12 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Amphora - October 22, 2009 at 10:23 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 23, 2009 at 11:25 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 26, 2009 at 5:07 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 26, 2009 at 10:51 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 20, 2009 at 10:05 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 20, 2009 at 10:33 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Retorth - October 21, 2009 at 12:29 am
RE: Reasons for God - by padraic - October 21, 2009 at 2:14 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 21, 2009 at 2:54 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 3:30 am
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 3:32 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 3:48 am
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 4:38 am
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 7:47 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 1:58 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 2:18 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 3:28 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 5:41 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - October 22, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - October 22, 2009 at 7:52 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by theblindferrengi - October 22, 2009 at 9:10 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ManOfScience - October 26, 2009 at 5:15 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 28, 2009 at 11:49 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Rhizomorph13 - October 26, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Tiberius - October 26, 2009 at 6:03 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ManOfScience - October 26, 2009 at 6:42 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 26, 2009 at 11:09 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 28, 2009 at 2:07 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 28, 2009 at 10:41 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 30, 2009 at 12:33 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Ace Otana - October 30, 2009 at 6:17 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Craveman - October 30, 2009 at 6:36 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2009 at 7:52 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 31, 2009 at 1:19 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - November 2, 2009 at 5:19 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Ace Otana - November 2, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: Reasons for God - by leo-rcc - October 29, 2009 at 5:08 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2009 at 5:09 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Dotard - October 29, 2009 at 9:11 am
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - October 30, 2009 at 2:50 am
RE: Reasons for God - by ecolox - October 31, 2009 at 12:09 am
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 30, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Ace Otana - October 30, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 10:16 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Ace Otana - October 31, 2009 at 6:38 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 11:10 am
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - October 31, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Minimalist - October 31, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - October 31, 2009 at 5:23 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by downbeatplumb - November 2, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - November 2, 2009 at 2:26 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by downbeatplumb - November 3, 2009 at 12:53 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 7:10 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - November 3, 2009 at 8:11 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 8:19 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - November 3, 2009 at 8:42 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - November 3, 2009 at 8:50 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 11:53 am
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 1:04 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by solarwave - November 4, 2009 at 4:17 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 7:29 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - November 4, 2009 at 7:44 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Violet - November 4, 2009 at 9:24 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - November 5, 2009 at 9:56 am
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 12:31 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by fr0d0 - November 5, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by chatpilot - November 5, 2009 at 7:23 pm
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RE: Reasons for God - by Athene - May 19, 2016 at 3:07 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by drfuzzy - May 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by GoHalos1993 - May 20, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RE: Reasons for God - by Faith No More - May 20, 2016 at 6:21 pm

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