(October 18, 2009 at 6:48 pm)ecolox Wrote: It is possible to give until it hurts, and then to keep on giving. Without faith it wouldn't make any sense - people never go there on purpose without faith. Maybe you should try it - I feel certain that you never have.
I think I see what you mean. To give and give and give but never feel appreciated, correct? You are so very correct that I have never experienced that. I actually think and consider and not give "give" blindly.

This is where you stop. You care for people, for those around you, but if they do not appreciate it, you do not go ALL the way out of your own way just to help them. You can still help but you should draw a line as to how far you will go for this person in question. It's nobody else's fault if you just give and give and give blindly without thinking, you know.

ecolox Wrote:Desiring God to exist and believing is an essential part of breaking the boundaries of the "ebb and flow" - allowing true good deeds. Anything less is labeled as "filthy rags" in the Bible (meaning lesser "good" deeds).
Wait, now you are talking about doing good deeds. Basically, you're now saying that the desire for god to exist and believing he does is essential for allowing "true deeds". I am simply saying that desiring for him to be real does not making him real. It does not make him any more real then if I desire so badly for pink unicorns to be real, even if I believe so very strongly that they exist. What basis do you have apart from faith to ensure that he is in fact real?
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"Only the dead have seen the end of war..." - Plato
“Those who wish to base their morality literally on the Bible have either not read it or not understood it...” - Richard Dawkins