Reasons for God

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Your question is how faith in something that is far greater than yourself or God results in greater humility or selflessness? Is that not self-evident?

No it is not self evident.

It is.

Because you have not shown 1. That this cannot be done without faith.

Now you're straying from the original question and responding to a different one.

Also, by ruling out faith you have excluded almost everything, if not everything (beyond one's own mind).

2. That if it is done through faith, that if this is anything more than the belief giving inspiration to the specific individual because he believes it does/will...irrespective of whether God actually exists or not, whether there's actually truth in the belief or not.

I think its really something that belief in God produces the best results in the world.

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I think I see what you mean. To give and give and give but never feel appreciated, correct? You are so very correct that I have never experienced that. I actually think and consider and not give "give" blindly. Allow me to explain.

I thought I was correct. You give on earth with the requirement of earthly repayment. If you aren't being encouraged to give, then you will not. This is the "ebb and flow" that you are limited to...

This is where you stop. You care for people, for those around you, but if they do not appreciate it, you do not go ALL the way out of your own way just to help them. You can still help but you should draw a line as to how far you will go for this person in question. It's nobody else's fault if you just give and give and give blindly without thinking, you know.

To the contrary, I am not a proponent of thoughtless giving. E.g. I do not give and give and give drugs, food, and alcohol to drug addicts, gluttons, and alcoholics respectively. I may even give something that people don't want. E.g. If you ask for a loaf of bread I may hand you a stone. (Later enabling you to grind grain and make bread).

Wait, now you are talking about doing good deeds. Basically, you're now saying that the desire for god to exist and believing he does is essential for allowing "true deeds". I am simply saying that desiring for him to be real does not making him real. It does not make him any more real then if I desire so badly for pink unicorns to be real, even if I believe so very strongly that they exist. What basis do you have apart from faith to ensure that he is in fact real?

Faith in God (colorless, formless) produces real world results and gives meaning to life.

Your faith in pink unicorns seems to be an inconsequential belief.

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I think I see what you mean. To give and give and give but never feel appreciated, correct? You are so very correct that I have never experienced that. I actually think and consider and not give "give" blindly. Smile Allow me to explain.

To give to feel appreciated, for reward (such as heaven) or to avoid pain (such as hell) is self interest. I'm not saying this is necessarily wrong*. I AM saying it's the antithesis of altruism. I get fed up with self righteous theists claiming a non existent moral high ground.


*Imo self interest becomes immoral if I meet my desires by harming others. (I do not conflate 'desires' with 'needs')

Your "good deeds" are paid for on earth. In regards to believers, payment is deferred to God, thus the people on earth take all the benefits of the believer's deeds at no cost. Obviously, this is much more beneficial to the world.