Religion and LGBT people

[Zen Badger]

And this all rather beside the point since I was calling Daniel on his hypocritical statement that he doesn't treat gays differently when he clearly does.

OK, based on your responses, where you CLEARLY equated consensual incestuous relationships with paedophilia, bestiality and gang rape of your own free accord (you were not coerced into this), I have the following comments.

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So you equate homosexuality with incest do you?

What about beastialty? or pedophilia? or even gang rape?

Because all of those have as much relevance to the topic at hand as incest does.

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In the late 1960's as you well know, Denmark became the first country to completely legalize pornography.

From 1970 to 1979 Denmark produced every type of pornography imaginable. Including bestiality and child pornography. If you were to get your hands on a copy of a "CC" magazine today, you would not know whether the boys and girls having sex are over 18 or under 18 because it made no difference at the time legally. You also had depictions of children as young as 8 or 9 having sex. Where is the social outrage Zen?

It was a product of its times wasn't it? Society didn't care. Okay fast forward to today. Do you call all of the Danish consumers paedophiles because they faped off to child porn?

Now let's assume for the sake of argument, let's assume, that you're right that incestuous relationships are as horrible, vile, and disgusting as child molestation. How would you feel if you lived in a society where it was not just common-place, but also readily accepted?

Perhaps I jest?

How do you feel about prostitution?

You can give me the intellectual answer, but then what if your daughter became a prostitute, what then, would you be hurt for her - surely what parent, if they are a good parent, wouldn't be hurt by this?



In Africa it is culturally acceptable for men to have sex with prostituted while their wives are away, or while they are away from home.

Let's imagine that you Zen, live in a place where this culture exists, and that you as a well-cultured man, feel compelled to experience the culture while your wife is away.

Shall we say it's all the same? By no means!

Has another man's wife ever approached you for sex? Do you have a sense of morality, or would you believe that morality is irrelevant when two people consent to having sex? The "sanctity of Marriage" be damned!



I take it your answer is, clearly, that you treat incestuous people differently, yes?

You sir are a two faced hypocrite. And you can chop and change the direction of the thread as much as you like but the fact remains that you said you treat gays the same as other people and since you would deny them marriage you do not.

Now... since your pathetic attempts to derail the conversation with incest etc have failed what are you going to try now?

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Do you support the right of a 14 year old to fly a 747 if they want to?

Then your rather stupid equivocation is invalid.

And this all rather beside the point since I was calling Daniel on his hypocritical statement that he doesn't treat gays differently when he clearly does.

The stupid equivocation is yours by bringing up piloting a 747 in a discussion of marriage between varying peoples...
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It is as stupid as bringing who a 14yo can marry into a conversation about consenting adults.