RE: Discussion about morals
October 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2009 at 2:38 pm by theVOID.)
(October 23, 2009 at 1:43 pm)Ephrium Wrote: I am of the opinion that without God, we can do whatever we want. There is no such a thing as 'good' or 'bad' nor good vs evil. Everything which happens is on this Earth. The above labels, is just it: Labels.
Why would you think you can do whatever you want? We live in a society and as such we are responsible to each other. If you do something to cause harm to society you should expect to receive an appropriate response.
I agree with you that nothing is truly good or evil, but in the context of society, a consensus is required to assess the values of society as a whole, and anything that is detrimental to society is considered bad. This goes back far before human civilization, emerging from the evolution of social animals a few million years ago, it gave them an innate sense of the functions that would allow for a more prosperous society, which excluded murder, stealing, deception etc... None of these actions are beneficial to the survivability of the society and are thus deemed by the society to be bad.
Quote:Say someone commits a crime and get away with it. now you call him an 'evil' person. Yes, and that is just it. A label with no significance nor value other than of a label.
Cosmically it has no significance, but it does have significance to us, and that is far more important than you seem to think.
Quote:If you take away the bible, sutras and Qurans, you release away whatever fear, real or imagined , of repercussions if you sense an advantage which you can take hold of. Self centeredness will reign.
To a degree we are motivated by our own satisfaction, but certainly not at the most. We are motivated by our friends and family in ways that are far more profound than selfish actions.
Quote:This is a discussion, without God whether there is such a thing as morals. I am of the opinion that there is not.
Morals do exit, it's extremely evident in every day life to the point where it is blatantly obvious. I think the argument is not whether or not morals exist, but whether or not they are subjective (different for everyone) or objective (absolute and unchanging).
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