(February 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm)genkaus Wrote:So you believe that SpunkGargleWeewee does not exist.(February 1, 2013 at 11:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: Well, if you don't know what spunkGargleWeewee is, how can you believe whether it exists or not?
The word does not exist in a normal dictionary. It exists in this text (and, perhaps, somewhere else). The concept indicated by the word is something only a restricted number of people are aware of.
You have now a very limited information about spunkGargleWeewee.
Do you believe it exists, or do you believe it does not exist? OR do you not believe either way?
Prima facie, it seems like something you made up for the sake of argument - so, I don't believe that it exists. IOW, it doesn't exist. My belief is open to alteration upon further information.
While I guarantee that it does exist.... you are just not aware of what it is.
I'll tell you it's a kind of game, but it's difficult to define exactly. (just to keep in touch with the dodgy talk of theists who try to provide with some definition of their god)
Now, you should be in doubt... "maybe it does exist.... then again, maybe this guy is just pulling my leg" ?
Can't decide?... default to I don't even know what that is, so I can't say if it does exist or not...
(February 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm)genkaus Wrote:I'm sure you can find someone in this forum who would say it's logical...(February 1, 2013 at 11:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: Ah, I was going for a deistic god thing, immortal, creator of the cosmos and little else.
Still not logical.
With an argument along the lines of "everything requires a creator, even the Universe, hence there must be one. What is it and how, I don't know, but I am convinced that there must be one".
(February 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm)genkaus Wrote:I disagree. Middle ground is possible as a belief.(February 1, 2013 at 11:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: I agree with your second sentence, but not the first.
And that is your problem. Both of them mean the same thing.
Not as a rule to direct your life.... If I do not believe in the existence of a god, then I live my life as if that god does not exist.... However I will not claim that it does not exist... you see, I have no wish to prove that claim.... specially since I know it's impossible to prove the non-existence of anything.
(February 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm)genkaus Wrote:Not everyone finds it that easy... or are willing to change that.(February 1, 2013 at 11:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: Ah, worldview... you are again assuming you have some more information about the world. The same information that made you construct that worldview. Each one of us has their own set of information there...
What kind of information each one of us is trusting then defines what we can believe in about the world...
And most information we get from adults, while we're young, tends to be cataloged as trustworthy...
And that can be changed and altered as you grow up.