RE: Reasons for God
October 31, 2009 at 1:19 am
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2009 at 1:41 am by ecolox.)
(October 30, 2009 at 7:52 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(October 30, 2009 at 12:33 am)ecolox Wrote: You simply don't understand. This isn't intended to be a proof of God's existence. This merely shows that faith in God is consoling, and that such consolation is enabling to people who desire to give more of themselves here on earth.Well then that means nothing because you can get your consolation from many things, not just God. And some would think that a delusional belief that consoles you may not always be the best thing.
Sure. You can be consoled by alcohol and drugs, friends and family, or success and good fortune.
Re: "...some would think..." - I wouldn't think that, God is always reliable. The faithful doesn't need substances and can be consoled in times of failure. Even friends and family can't fill every void - as people often have their own interests or agendas to look after and may not understand everything that is needed. God never fails when sought after with genuine faith.
EvF Wrote:And of course, this also makes out that you are perhaps more insecure than those who disbelieve in God and don't need such consoling.
You must be stronger than a human. I like all humans am insecure.
I have known atheists who didn't need consolation from God. They often solicited moral support (handicapped), turned to substances (handicapped), or didn't and were morally handicapped. They often succeeded more than others in being polite, but not in being good in any real way. They certainly didn't defend the poor in spirit.
Quote:And, as for myself 1. I see no reason to believe God actually exists
The mystery of the universe, our ignorance, disallows us from concluding, through bare logic, that God is the only possible answer behind it all. You should merely consider God possible, if you're only logical.
Quote:2. You've actually admitted that you haven't given me any, you are just arguing from the "consolation" of the matter (consolation to you anyway!).
I haven't because I can't. Now I'm just explaining how reasonable God is in light of how consoling faith is in the pursuit of good.
Quote: 3. I am perfectly secure as I am (well, more or less) and I don't need such consolation
You must not risk very much then. You live in a safe house. This is indicative of the selfishness you are limited to...
Quote: 4. I actually care about the truth, and, if anything does console me more than anything else, to be honest, for me personally: It's the truth that does that. I hate denying reality.
I hate to deny reality as well. If you're honest about reality then you are faced with an immense mystery, and this in and of itself isn't consoling in the least. Mystery and uncertainty are hardly consoling. For sure, the few truths you are aware of are meaningless when set beside the ultimate truth (mystery) of the universe.
I believe that this reality is indicative, though not conclusive, of God. I do make a leap of faith due to my pursuit of and reverence to what is good.
(October 30, 2009 at 5:33 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: A fine-tuned universe + a God requires more explanation than just a fine-tuned universe.
God just complicates the problem even further.
Of course these are absurd statements. You don't have a clue what explanation a fine-tuned universe requires, so you cannot claim that God complicates the explanation. It may well be that God is the simplest viable explanation of this universe and our existence that very much hangs in the balance.
Ace Wrote:Adding god into the equation just raises more questions and complicates things further.
Thanks Ace for rehashing what EvF just said and making the same mistakes. Shoot for originality next time.