Reasons for God

[Edwardo Piet]

Sure. You can be consoled by alcohol and drugs, friends and family, or success and good fortune.

Or any other crackpot religion besides your own. Or pseudo science , etc.

[...] The faithful doesn't need substances and can be consoled in times of failure.

It's still got fuck-all to do with the reality of the matter. And delusion can be dangerous. Especially when believers don't realize that their belief is just consoling because they believe it is. Because what evidence is there that their belief is actually true?

And where's your evidence? You can't give any. You argue form consolation and then act as if you're right about his existence too without any actual evidence.

Even friends and family can't fill every void - as people often have their own interests or agendas to look after and may not understand everything that is needed.

Friends and family actually exist. I'd rather devote myself to my friends and family than to God, because at least my friends and family actually exist. And if God does exist, does he actually need any time spent on him?! Isn't he perfect how he is? Why the fuck bother putting any time into God when he's so perfect and I could be spending time with my family and friends? And...which god?

What evidence is there actually for this God of yours?

God never fails when sought after with genuine faith.

Evidence that statement or stop barely asserting it.

Cos I can just respond with "The Flying Spaghetti Monster never fails when sought after with genuine faith."

You must be stronger than a human.

No, because I'm human.

I like all humans am insecure.

I'm not talking about being 100% superhumanly secure. I'm talking about the fact that you believe you need God for consolation when I don't, could show you as being more insecure than me for instance. I don't need that shit.

I have known atheists who didn't need consolation from God.

Of course you have. All of them basically. If they needed consolation like yourself, they'd might be insecure enough to believe in God like yourself - and even if their not: What evidence is there of any god for them to need consolation from?

They often solicited moral support (handicapped), turned to substances (handicapped), or didn't and were morally handicapped. They often succeeded more than others in being polite, but not in being good in any real way.

And what's "real way" to you?

They certainly didn't defend the poor in spirit.

Then either you are deluded or by chance you've ran into some rather bad atheists.

Atheists are just people who don't believe in God. Religion can motivate you to do immoral things, or to do moral things for non-moral reasons. Either way it's not exactly morally enlightening. Religion either causes more immorality or it causes phony morality, it seems to me.

Name one moral act that a religious person can do that an atheist can't. Then think of things such as 911 that are a result of religion.

The mystery of the universe, our ignorance, disallows us from concluding, through bare logic, that God is the only possible answer behind it all.

Evidence that. You are merely asserting that. How the fuck does logic point to God? Sorry, but it seems to me that you argue from nothing more than personal incredulity and consolation.

You should merely consider God possible, if you're only logical.

Prove that.

I haven't because I can't. Now I'm just explaining how reasonable God is in light of how consoling faith is in the pursuit of good.

Whether it consoles you or not, "he" can't be reasonable if he doesn't exist. For if he doesn't exist there is no "he".

You must not risk very much then. You live in a safe house. This is indicative of the selfishness you are limited to...

What a pathetic conclusion you have made. How safe is safe? And how the fuck does that indicate selfishness?

I hate to deny reality as well.

Then why does the consolation point matter to you so much? If God doesn't exist then to believe in him because he's consoling ... is to deny reality.

If you're honest about reality then you are faced with an immense mystery, and this in and of itself isn't consoling in the least.

Maybe not to you. I am interested in reality and mystery. I certainly don't fear mystery. I revel in it.

Mystery and uncertainty are hardly consoling.

They are to me.

For sure, the few truths you are aware of are meaningless when set beside the ultimate truth (mystery) of the universe.

I am fascinated in the mystery of the universe. And I don't try to pathetically, superficially, gratuitously explain them away with "God".

I believe that this reality is indicative, though not conclusive, of God.

How is he? You can believe that if you want but I have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about.

I do make a leap of faith due to my pursuit of and reverence to what is good.

I don't need to believe in God to be good. I am good.

Of course these are absurd statements.

To you maybe.

You don't have a clue what explanation a fine-tuned universe requires, so you cannot claim that God complicates the explanation.

Well you have yet to prove God. So the complexity of the universe + the complexity of God is more complex than just the complexity of the universe. Adding God into the equation makes it more complex unless you can actually explain how it doesn't. The burden of proof is on you. That is extremely obvious.

Before we have evidence of either God or how the universe is so complex. Then the problem of God's existnece + the universe is more of a problem than just the universe. Because until you evidence God, it's infinitely more rational to cut out the middle man. Because it's extremely fucking irrational special pleading to just take God on faith but not apply to same logic to other things, even when the same logic should apply.

It may well be that God is the simplest viable explanation of this universe and our existence that very much hangs in the balance.

It may be. But what fucking reason have you got to believe that? And what reason have you got to believe there's one in the first place? That's just wishful thinking on your part. Extremely irrational.

Thanks Ace for rehashing what EvF just said and making the same mistakes. Shoot for originality next time.

Ummm...maybe you need stuff repeating to you? If you can't get the basic arguments then it's hard to dive deeper sometimes!

@ Solarwave: However ultimately simple God is, him + the universe is more complex than just the universe. You still need to evidence him.

EvF