free will paradox

[Esquilax]

Because you are not perfect, you attract 'punishment', God or no God. With God, you get to override.

Ah. So because I'm not perfect, I should be punished? I have flaws, so hellfire is appropriate? How does this seem fair to you?

It's funny to show you love in the form of enabling you to be the best you can be? Why??

I was really talking about the "you're going to hell no matter what, because you're not as great as me" mentality of the dude, there.

The Jews wrote the book dude. You think you understand it better than they do? How odd.

And? The issue is that the book is an immoral book. I don't care who wrote it, if they did so under anything other than the guise of fiction, they are just as immoral.

What are you forgiven for? You tell me. I have no idea. did you harbour some hatred once? Life depriving action transformed.

Oh, it's thoughtcrime now? Yeah, that always works out so very well...

Fear of hell is the opposite of God. If you're feeling guilty, you need to deal with that. Like we know, God forgives, so guilt is wiped out. Left to your own devices, God's potential isn't available. The best choice is God.

No no: no fear, no guilt. I have nothing to feel guilty about. What I'm feeling is frustration that this assumption of punishment from birth is still a thing to some of you people. Can't you see how wrong that is?

She said nothing of goodness, no. But it's the same thing. Can't you see? You're attempting to re-define goodness so that you can rebel against it. It doesn't matter what you call it, just don't twist it into something else. Deal with the reality and don't run away. Why does she harbour bitterness if she's happy? Better to place the blame firmly where it sits. Maybe then you/she can move on.

You're the one attempting to redefine things. Humans can do good things, can't they? You think god's nature is good, but that doesn't mean god is the only good thing. One can disbelieve in him without losing their sense of morality, or their appreciation of goodness. This is what I'm saying: she hasn't turned her back on goodness, just on god. Now, she simply believes goodness comes from a different source.

Also, we're not rebelling. There's nothing to rebel against. We don't believe in your god, so this idea makes about as much sense as the old "you're just an atheist because you're angry at god!" canard.

Oh, and I said my fiancee wasn't bitter. She's really not: sweetest little thing in the world, that girl. Losing her theism hasn't changed anything about her personality.

So you devolve to superstition twice. 1. Luck saved you. 2. Magic didn't save you. that's the kind of superstitious nonsense I hate. Yeah be thankful and embrace positivity for what you have. At some point you're going to see that we're both talking about the same thing, and drop the misplaced hatred.

We're just using words. When we say that she was "lucky" to have survived, we aren't invoking some external force called Luck that swooped down and saved her. We're simply expressing our joy at her survival, and our acknowledgement of the fact that the odds weren't exactly stacked in her favor, there. Nobody is praying at the altar of Luck, we're just using the english language as it was intended.

Oh, and we don't hate god either. We don't believe in him. We can't hate that which doesn't exist, and besides that, I've purposefully kept things measured and calm here to avoid being called hateful. I'm just having a debate: please don't ascribe emotive things to me that I don't have.