Hey,
Thanks for the welcome EvF.
Thank you for sharing.
Are not the atheists in this article acting just like that? Other than Hitchens quote at the end... And if they are acting like that, is there not something wrong with the way they are acting?
I agree that organized religion has led to some horrible flaws, absolutely. But why did they lead to those flaws? I think it is dogmatic, fanatical belief. And I see the same flaw growing the some of the atheist community, it is just a dogmatic and fanatical disbelief. I can't stand someone trying to force their belief (or lack of) on others. And I assume they won't stop with the crazy goal of abolishing world religion, they will move on to the mental disability (as they may see it) of belief, and then we will have a big problem (myself and them).
I am not at all saying you guys all think like that, I know much better. But I am pointing out that I disagree with that state or mind, and wonder what you guys think...
It was good to talk to you three again, Thank you.
-Pip
Thanks for the welcome EvF.
Quote:The agenda of theists is to dumb-down and control the masses.Greetings Secularone, thank you for your response. I am a theist, although not of any organized religion, and I assure you that dumbing down and control are not my mission at all. In fact, I am trying to enlighten and promote freedom, so either your statement about theists is incorrect, or I am not a theist.
Quote:If you think you are enhancing your credibility by collaborating with the religious nuts, you are wrong.I am not concerned about my "credibility". I am not collaborating with the "nuts", I am saying that the point that we could work together as theists and atheists is a good one. I am willing to let you believe whatever you want to, would you offer the same freedom to me? I can't see any difference from a fundamental christian (as example) being pushy and controlling, and an atheists being the same.
Quote:We need more aggressive atheism, not more pandering.That seems like a dangerous state of mind. I would agree with you if you could prove atheism without a doubt, but no one likes to try that. Now feel free to tell me that you are not making a point, that you only disbelieve. Say that I have to first "prove god" before you will try to disprove her... I know about the "burden of proof" trap. But until atheism and theism are no longer personal views, who's to say who's right and who's wrong?
Thank you for sharing.
Quote:Not all atheists go around demanding others give up their belief...Hey also, EvF. Always a pleasure
Are not the atheists in this article acting just like that? Other than Hitchens quote at the end... And if they are acting like that, is there not something wrong with the way they are acting?
I agree that organized religion has led to some horrible flaws, absolutely. But why did they lead to those flaws? I think it is dogmatic, fanatical belief. And I see the same flaw growing the some of the atheist community, it is just a dogmatic and fanatical disbelief. I can't stand someone trying to force their belief (or lack of) on others. And I assume they won't stop with the crazy goal of abolishing world religion, they will move on to the mental disability (as they may see it) of belief, and then we will have a big problem (myself and them).
I am not at all saying you guys all think like that, I know much better. But I am pointing out that I disagree with that state or mind, and wonder what you guys think...
Quote:Show me what harm in the world an atheist has done in the name of atheism.I don't want to go there Leo, because I know it is an argument I cannot win, but are you alluding that no atheist has ever done anything harmful in the name of atheism? Ever? Religions record is likely far worse, but disbelief is not spotless I am sure. Thank you as well for your response.
It was good to talk to you three again, Thank you.
-Pip
