(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: As Justin said, how does one reject the rejection of a claim?
I'm rejecting the atheists total rejection of theism to the extent that the universe becomes a random coincidence of some kind which result in various natural processes taking place with us as an unintentional byproduct. I can see what theists are trying to argue against, they do have a point I see what they mean. Though I would still back slowly away from them should they say anything about the second coming or the anti-Christ, bit weird.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Theists claim a god exists. Atheists simply do not believe their claim.
It isn't necessarily quite that black and white, both sides make good arguments and both sides believe something that seems slightly off the wall to me as well.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: What 'coincidences' are you referring to?
The existence of the universe, life, the development of conscious intelligent civilisations living on planets orbiting stars (there's at least one). Rather than be a coincidence I think there will be a damn good reason which explains it all. I don't think the reason is the Bible but at least the people writing it had some imagination, they could have done better had they know what we know now perhaps but was a decent stab.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: It really doesn't matter what you are personally a fan of.
What matters to me is what is actually true and I think atheism is wrong based on what I know of the universe as it is. A complex process with a complex end result will have a complex explanation rather no explanation at all as atheists seem to assume.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: It matters what can be demonstrated as true by evidence and reasoned argument.
Evidence and reasoned argument is what I'm using. It may not be convincing for you but you're not particularly convincing me either. I do agree with you on the supernatural issue and religions being man made.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Your personal incredulity is pretty much meaningless.
I have an opinion that is slightly different to your not personal incredulty. I think you're mistaken about something that's all. We're technically still in the same camp however. If you don't believe in a religion you don't believe in a religion.
(February 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Dawkins never claims to have the complete explanation. That's why he's a scientist.
He doesn't have the complete explanation to support what he believes to be "true" the same as me, but we have different ideas of what is true. I think the universe has the purpose or intent of generating intelligent life within itself. The process being an emergence of structured complexity from initial simple forms, it seems obvious to me that that is what the universe is doing. It will be doing that for a reason.
