Collaboration with theists?

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The very reason theism thrives is that too many freethinkers are willing to collaborate with theists.
The agenda of theists is to dumb-down and control the masses. And you criticize those who would place that agenda under critical scrutiny.

I think there is little hope for humanity because so many freethinkers are willing to pander to the enemies of freedom, equality and social justice by being silent.

You may call that "postitive atheism." I call it stupidity.

If you think you are enhancing your credibility by collaborating with the religious nuts, you are wrong.

We need more aggressive atheism, not more pandering.

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And you call this hate mongering an unbiased opinion! "enemies of freedom, equality and social justice" "dumb down and control the masses" "stupidity" "collaborating with religious nuts"

Likewise shouldn't I level the same accusations at you? I am not a fundamentalist but you are.

"I am as aggressive as any atheist I have ever met. In fact, I know hundreds and not one is willing to deny a theist the right to believe and practice their faith. However, it is common to hear this accusation resonating among theists. Why?"

You call the above tirade no affront to my personal freedom??? You accuse me of being what I'm not. I represent no threat to yourself and even take your side against theistic censorship. I also take sides against you in anti theistic censorship.

But then in reality I won't seek to oppress you at all. I believe you should have the right to espouse your vitriol, no matter how disgusting it gets. I will stand by you and want to help you to understand rather that wield the big hammer on you. This I think is the thrust of Pippy's post.

Show me what harm in the world an atheist has done in the name of atheism.

I don't want to go there Leo, because I know it is an argument I cannot win, but are you alluding that no atheist has ever done anything harmful in the name of atheism? Ever?

That is exactly what I am saying.

I've never heard of anyone doing something harmful in name of their non belief in fairies, or goblins, or gods. While I can cite just from the top of my head several examples of harm people have done because of their faith and their overzealous pursuit to please their deity in the way they think is right.

Well that's hardly fair. How can you do harm in the name of something you don't believe in? Take my own faith.. I don't know anyone that has acted in the spirit of the faith and done harm. I know of very many corrupt people who have used it to their own end.. so are you saying you want to stop people having ideas? Because that's the only way you'd stop ideas being abused.