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free will paradox
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RE: free will paradox
(February 7, 2013 at 4:57 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Yeah. It's called justice. You think people should get away with bad stuff?

That depends on what you define as 'bad'. As noted elsewhere, you believe that genocide, rape, and child murder are not bad. God clearly is okay with these activities. To God, it is bad for a child to disrespect his dad, but entirely acceptable for Dad to kill that child in response.

Quote:"Hellfire" lol. Sounds scary doesn't it. Of course you're trying to say you're own slight disdemeanours don't warrant the same punishment as a serial murderer right? Well who said you did? If God is just, as I believe, how do you rationalise that? Because I cant. What I've been talking about here is hell on earth. this life where what comes around, goes around, You reap what you sow. Your own negativity, no matter how small, limits your own enjoyment of life. I'm sure you'd agree with that on a secular level.

If God was just, good behaviors would always be rewarded and bad behaviors punished. That only seems to happen in the afterlife, which is convenient because there's no way anyone can verify it.

(February 6, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Pardon me if it don't take the author nations' word over yours.
Is there immorality in extremes in the Bible. Sure there is. Is there evidence of God being bad. None. Justice, like you've suggested, meets the crime. Big crimes attract big punishment. The Bible has to address extremes to illustrate the point.

Yet again, this is proof that you believe genocide is acceptable and good. When God flooded the world, did he make sure to spare children and infants? Of course not. They must have been up to some evil fucking shit, I guess.

Quote:A lot of modern societies laws are built upon the moral guidelines found in this book. As we become further departed in our understanding of it, we become more primitive in our morals, that is, less moral.

There are some modern societies built upon the same moral guidelines as found in the Bible, such as North Korea and the Soviet Union under Stalin.

(February 6, 2013 at 8:53 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Well the basis of Christianity is that assumption that people aren't born perfect. This is very clearly illustrated in the story of Adam and Eve. Man is fallible/ has the predisposition to fall. This seems to be the common zeitgiest too. People on here concur, when I've asked. What is your opinion then EsQ? Do you think that people are perfect and have no need of improving themselves?

The basis of Christianity is that people are inherently bad and evil wretches.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that humanity is growing up. We started off superstitious and ignorant and being violent as a first resort (and, certainly, a lot still are), but while those 'biblical morals' still exist, they are being replaced by empathy, compassion, and a desire to better ourselves and learn about what is around us.

Quote:Children are innocents, to be sure. They are born with the same predispositions of all humans. We teach them civility hopefully, in order to function in a society.

So, why did God massacre so many of them? He murdered all the firstborns of Egypt... because their ruler was a dick? Some justice.

fr0d0 Wrote:You're using the english language innacurately.

something something throwing stones in glass houses etc.
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free will paradox - by justin - February 3, 2013 at 10:55 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 3, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 3, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 3, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Re: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 4, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: free will paradox - by ManMachine - February 5, 2013 at 7:43 pm
RE: free will paradox - by FKHansen - February 4, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: free will paradox - by Gabriel Syme - May 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 4, 2013 at 8:55 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: free will paradox - by FKHansen - February 4, 2013 at 9:24 am
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 4, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: free will paradox - by Something completely different - February 4, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 4, 2013 at 10:16 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 10:27 am
RE: free will paradox - by FKHansen - February 5, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 4, 2013 at 11:38 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - February 4, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: free will paradox - by justin - February 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RE: free will paradox - by naimless - February 4, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Re: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 4, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Zen Badger - February 5, 2013 at 4:29 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 5, 2013 at 6:06 am
RE: free will paradox - by Zen Badger - February 5, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 5, 2013 at 8:41 am
RE: free will paradox - by Zen Badger - February 5, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 5, 2013 at 8:55 am
RE: free will paradox - by Zen Badger - February 6, 2013 at 6:13 am
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - February 5, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 6, 2013 at 3:48 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 6, 2013 at 9:00 am
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 6, 2013 at 10:03 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - February 6, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 6, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 6, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 6, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Darkstar - February 6, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 6, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 7, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 7, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 8, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - February 8, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 6, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - February 6, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - February 10, 2013 at 2:12 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 10, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 8, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - April 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 9, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 2:20 am
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 6, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 8, 2013 at 12:43 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 9, 2013 at 3:03 am
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 10, 2013 at 4:00 am
Re: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: free will paradox - by Angrboda - February 10, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 10, 2013 at 7:22 am
Re: RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - February 10, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: free will paradox - by Phish - February 10, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - February 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Captain Scarlet - February 10, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - February 10, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 2:08 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 10:29 am
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 10, 2013 at 11:44 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 10, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - April 10, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - April 10, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 11, 2013 at 1:18 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2013 at 4:16 am
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 5:59 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 14, 2013 at 9:40 am
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 15, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - April 14, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: free will paradox - by fr0d0 - April 11, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: free will paradox - by Esquilax - April 11, 2013 at 3:42 am
RE: free will paradox - by Mystical - April 14, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - April 11, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Severan - April 12, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Darkstar - April 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: free will paradox - by justin - April 13, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: free will paradox - by Severan - April 13, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Godschild - April 15, 2013 at 3:40 am
RE: free will paradox - by Severan - April 15, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: free will paradox - by Anomalocaris - May 1, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: free will paradox - by Ryantology - May 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: free will paradox - by wwjs - May 1, 2013 at 4:15 pm

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