Collaboration with theists?

[Pippy]

It would have to be something apart from atheism to make atheists dogmatic...

Oh absolutely, yes. I don't mean that atheists being dogmatic has anything to do with atheism proper. There is certainly something else in the equation that makes fanatic atheists fanatical. And I am obliged to point out those fanatics and frown at them, not at all because of their lack of belief, only because of there attempt to control others.

I wonder what point could be made about how some religious fanatics are also personally responsible, or self-motivated into their extremism as well. I admit that religion has a slightly higher penchant for dogmatism itself though...

I just think the statement "Religion is whats wrong with the world" is a little fanatical. And, curiously, I think fanaticism is whats wrong with the world. So atheists who espouse the "religion is whats wrong with the world" (as exampled by the silly article, not that you are) are themselves whats really wrong with the world (in their fanatics, not their disbelief).

Thanks EvF.

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But here you are evangelizing.

You accuse atheist activists of trampling the rights of theists.

Did I? I don't recall making such an assertion. I said that some of the more fanatical atheists are "trampling the rights" of some theists, and I see a flaw in that behavior...

You accuse atheist activists of filing frivolous lawsuits.

I am certain I said nothing about frivolous lawsuits.

You accuse me of considering you an enemy.

I asked you if you considered me an enemy, and you answered my question, there were no accusations.

I have passed no laws. I have not attempted to deny you freedom of religion. I don’t force you to read what I write. I don’t force you to consider what I have to say. I don’t invade your private life, your home, your mailbox or your computer with my ideas.

And I have also done none of the same to you. Others may have passed strange laws and invaded your private life, but not I. And I also feel my legal and private life impinged, but I do not at all hold you accountable and responsible for what others have done.

Spit it out… exactly what issues are you siding with them on?

Freedom to believe or disbelieve what you will.

I’m unaware of any such movement among atheists.

Did you read the article? The part of abolishing world religion is such a movement, is it not?

groundless assertions that sound very much like they spring from a Christian Fundamentalist church.

That's the same thing Kyu used to say. "I have never heard of someone who believes in god, but is not part of an organized religion..." I guess you should wait with baited breath for the other shoe to drop and for me to start quoting scripture, but it'll be a long wait. If I could be pigeon-holed into any structure it would certainly not be christian, I just celebrated Samhein if you need a clue. But that is not to say that I am of the organized religion of... Irish paganism? I just prefer that to the silly Halowe'en thing.

I’m asking myself how a Christian Fundamentalist’s arguments would differ from yours? And the answer I keep getting is “They wouldn’t.”

Sure they would, they would quote the bible as divine truth, and I will not. There is one difference for a start.

The only point I am trying to make is that I don't think there is a meaningful difference between religious fanaticism and atheist fanaticism. That fanatics of any stripe are the problem, not religious people as a whole (or disbelievers as a whole). Thank you for sharing.

-Pip