(February 10, 2013 at 4:44 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you ever found a cause Ryan I'm sure you'd make a cute rebel.
I bet you tell that to all the boys.
Quote:The difference between the Abrahamic God and the rest is that he doesn't demand anything, just like in your perfect scenario. So thank you from him for that promo.
He demands total and complete devotion. Sure, in the NT he asks rather than demands, much like I imagine a rapist might ask a woman to disrobe while pointing a gun at her face.
Quote:If you'd been paying attention, you would have noticed me say that good and bad are their own rewards. Just like you can see nature as evidence of God, or not, depending on your POV, so you can get PUNISHED (there, I made that scary for you) for doing bad stuff, by yourself in the form of guilt. What is so bad about justice any way? Do you have a problem with fairness? I'd be interested to hear your world view where injustice is desirable. Seems crazy to me right now.
I believe in justice, I do not believe that your god is just. I do not think any human crime, no matter how heinous, deserves an extended stay in hell. I do not believe in disproportionate retribution. I do not believe that vengeance is the same thing as justice, and your god is certainly vengeful. Punishing four generations because of their great-grandfather's misdeeds is not justice, and I do not hold the conceit that an action is just because God says it is. I am a sapient being, and I will never accept "I am more powerful than you" as justification for anything. Being more powerful than I am may make me unable to resist, but it can never force me to recognize your actions as justified.
To put it simply, I do not believe injustice is desirable, and that is the primary reason I find your god so repulsive. Your god is a vicious, capricious despot in scripture and (assuming he exists) negligent and absent in real life. There is nothing fair about him, nothing righteous, nothing deserving of glory or praise. If we were designed by God, we act only in ways he made us able to act. If he creates laws he knows we cannot follow, offering salvation is a completely meaningless gesture. We're not being saved from sin, we're being saved from his design fuckup. What kind of horse shit justice is that?
