free will paradox

[Mystical]

I was not a JH or a Mormon. I grew up bouncing cities, states, and Christian churches. I've been to methodists, baptists, lutherans, southern baptists, catholics (once), but for the most part my parents stuck with christian churches without such titles, based on the level of spirituality that the pastor had. That said, my parents did end up at some extreme churches when I was young that made them conclude not to stick to a particular denomination for good reason; one church ending in suicide after they left, another they left because the pastor boasted and propagated child molestation. We even went to Ted Haggards' church when he was hatin on the gays. From those experiences my father kept with him the extreme view on the bible, and to this day believes women should not own land or hold office and are the reason the country is going to hell in a hand basket along with the fact that gays, muslims, and removal of religion are also contributing to the the world going to hell. He absolutely cannot contain his excitement for the End of Times.
My mother on the other hand takes care of the purest innocent of humans on this planet for nothing in return, she's even too tired in her good works to go to church anymore.

The perversion you describe has nothing to do with any faith that I subscribe to.

Honestly Fr0d0, it's getting kind of annoying this whole, "You speak not of my religion BS."

What is within you is from God

I disagree.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/scienc...d=all&_r=0

Again, this is not Christianity. Anger isn't a sin. Ever heard of this one: "In your anger do not sin: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry" (Eph 4:26)
God is perfect. Perfect is God. It's the definition. You can bastardise that all you want, it doesn't alter the fact of the definition. There is no proof to the contrary.

It says in your anger don't sin. Not, if you're angry you're not sinning.
Where in the Bible does it say god is perfect? Just curious. Or in a dictionary under perfection, where there is god = perfection?

There's a lil proof in his own actions methinks. Here's something just from what I was watching tonight as you got me all on a Jew roll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...x7irFN2gdI


Here are verses that I see as directly contrasting gods' actions that are described by this one issue alone.

“I the Lord do not change” (Malachi 3:6a)

“You are not a God who takes pleasure in evil; with you the wicked cannot dwell” (Psalm 5:4).

“When you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe” (1 Thessalonians 2:13b).

You can't say that imperfection = perfection, as that would be illogical.

missluckie26 Wrote: Taking nutjob comment and throwing it in the bin* on grounds of hypocrisy.

Can't you see that I see you as being hypocritical and illogical yourself? That god cannot be perfect if he commits imperfect acts and is a hypocrite for judging us to hell for qualities he himself has shown? Before you say the typical, who are you to judge god BS please take a minute to consider that I am not indeed here to slam your beliefs. I'm here to talk to you about your beliefs. I'm not here talking to you to debate you and have fun with the word war you're ensuing. I dislike it highly, actually. I'm literally here to find out what is keeping you faithful and why, and all you can do is tell me I'm perverse and bastardising your bible.

You're saying that positivity doesn't work in one breath, and then arguing it does in the next

Be a darling and point your position out for me please, in detail?
Also, please translate for me this statement: You're hung up on what is to you a taboo langueage. Get over it.

I never mentioned any box, you did. You're projecting.

My bad I was quoting you from some of your past quotes. I like to see what the beliefs of someone I'm talking to are, and you have oh 450 some odd pages to thumb through (plus I just like reading the old debates!). Figured you'd recognize your own arguments. Here's one, of many..

http://atheistforums.org/thread-832-page-4.html
Kyuuketsuki Wrote: A lot of what world? The warped one you exist in or the one that I, as most science adherents, choose to believe (with reason) is inherently explainable and governed by physical laws that make sense? Thanks but no thanks ... I think I'll continue to inhabit the world of the rational.

Fr0d0 wrote:
It's nice and safe in that little box. Come back and see me when you're ready to come out and play in the real world.

Lets take my example of one of my "hells" of a bastardized perversion of your own beliefs that I'm projecting onto you, and if you can please explain to me how I am perverting your beliefs feel free to educate me. Seriously.

My mom and dad got married. Both believed in god. Both swore to god on this statement (yes I'm aware it's not from the bible).

I, (name), take you (name), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part.), these can also be altered in many ways, or you can write your own vows

They meant it.

Let's assume my father perverted the bible because of his mental illness, then eventually loses his faith 20yrs later. There are still bible verses she must adhere to during those 20yrs in her love of god and love of her husband, and these few verses are what used as reasoning that prevented her from ending that "hell". Verses from a book that God claims is his will breathed to "living word".

1 Corinthians 7:39 ESV
A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Mark 10:12 ESV
And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”

Malachi 2:14-16 God states "The Lord has been a witness between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously... 'For I hate divorce' says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'and him who covers his garment is wrong.'

1 Corinthians 7:15 ESV
But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

Fr0d0 said:
Wow. lol

Seriously Cluckie, I don't recognise this.

then Fr0d0 said:
I'm not mocking you. I'm asking you to exlpain this gross misrepresentation

missluckie26 Wrote: Am I not fortunate, blessed, of advantage, getting a break, prosperous, favored, providential for being here despite the infinite odds against my survival?

Fr0d0 said:
Sing it sister

Nope, you're just mocking me there I'm pRetty sure, brother.