RE: woman rights in Islam
November 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2009 at 1:53 pm by Violet.)
Haha! ^_^ I just got quoted 
(With a couple of pronoun changes and an added sentence or two 
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Anyway, I used the word 'culture' with that 'narrow' meaning in mind, Padriac I essentially agree with all your points, I just used the 'wrong word' to describe what laws should not be based off of (And please remember that I typed up the initial bit (which included my using 'culture' in such a way) in less than a minute)
I do not see how the sexual organs are any less distasteful than the face, and I don't think the skin of the body (nor its hair, nor its concaves and convexes) are really any more disgusting.
What do I care about popular culture teasing societal rules? The only rules I adhere to are my own, and those which I must temporarily follow (though not because I agree with them). If something is not right by me... I do not just live with it: I identify that which is not 'right', try to understand what makes it not right (if anything), and modify accordingly to make it 'right' (or even just more 'right'). Society is not something that formed before individual beliefs... individual beliefs got together, decided on a set of beliefs that were generally accepted, and that formed the societal belief. I deny many of these established rights, as I have formed my own beliefs from the ground up... and even the ground did I have to formulate.
A teenager wouldn't rebel if they didn't feel they had something that they needed to rebel against. Understand... that the parents are dealing with a being that will soon (or perhaps already has) reached the status of being an adult. The parent needs to understand that they should no longer be trying to protect and train the teenager to fight for their existence in the world... the parent needs to be equipping and outfitting them for life's 'battleground'. I enjoy psychology
(With a couple of pronoun changes and an added sentence or two )Anyway, I used the word 'culture' with that 'narrow' meaning in mind, Padriac
I essentially agree with all your points, I just used the 'wrong word' to describe what laws should not be based off of (And please remember that I typed up the initial bit (which included my using 'culture' in such a way) in less than a minute) fr0d0 Wrote:@Sae: To call religion on its prudishness is to be ignorant and ill informed. So you object to a societies rules. You won't be the first. We aren't talking rulings on cosmetic adornment, but on commonly agreed decency... be that complete nudity or covering the sexual organs. Popular culture makes a business of teasing those rules. Pushing the boundaries of societal defined decency. What a relief it would be to be rid of that particular gravy train. But then what would teenagers have then to rebel against? Better to have something so harmless I guess.Commonly agreed 'decency?' about cosmetic adornment, you mean?
I do not see how the sexual organs are any less distasteful than the face, and I don't think the skin of the body (nor its hair, nor its concaves and convexes) are really any more disgusting. What do I care about popular culture teasing societal rules? The only rules I adhere to are my own, and those which I must temporarily follow (though not because I agree with them). If something is not right by me... I do not just live with it: I identify that which is not 'right', try to understand what makes it not right (if anything), and modify accordingly to make it 'right' (or even just more 'right'). Society is not something that formed before individual beliefs... individual beliefs got together, decided on a set of beliefs that were generally accepted, and that formed the societal belief. I deny many of these established rights, as I have formed my own beliefs from the ground up... and even the ground did I have to formulate.
A teenager wouldn't rebel if they didn't feel they had something that they needed to rebel against. Understand... that the parents are dealing with a being that will soon (or perhaps already has) reached the status of being an adult. The parent needs to understand that they should no longer be trying to protect and train the teenager to fight for their existence in the world... the parent needs to be equipping and outfitting them for life's 'battleground'. I enjoy psychology
Revival Wrote:i just hate it when Women in Islam try to defend themselves and say they are not oppressed and say that the WEST is oppressing them! i do believe the govt should piss off and let the muslim women wear whatever, but its a fact they MAY be happy wearing the Niqab because they THINK they are pleasing some god but other than that they are not truly happy!Indeed... and all the more so indeed to what chatpilot said.
fr0d0 Wrote:Then onto Islamic dress codes. Isn't hiding and not fully revealing romantic? Women use this tactic, is doesn't have to be seen as oppressive. All intelligent & rational followers I've spoken to prescribe to this viewpoint. So they made it part of their societies rulings. Aren't they just different to us? Are we so perfect?No, it is not done for romance purposes... and even if it was: It is not something they change out of soon afterward (see the vile corset?). I take it that if a society stones a woman to death because she got raped... that you think they are 'right' simply because they are a society?
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
